Senate approves historic legislation to protect same-sex marriages

Althea said:
Well, depending on the court, the definition of 'freedom' will be the debate.

I believe it is meant to give everyone the right to worship freely, not discriminate for religious purposes. But Red states are continuing to give carte blanche in the name of religion.
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First amendment freedom of religion applies equally to red and blue states. Freedom of religion has always allowed types of discrimination for religious purposes. Students may be excused from the pledge of allegiance for religious purposes, Amish don't have to pay Social Security or attend school past the 8th grade because of religious beliefs. Jehovah's Witnesses may cover up the slogan on their license plate because of religious beliefs.

Althea said:
I believe the vax debate eventually came down to people not being allowed to demand religious exemption if their church hadn't come out against vaccination. Perhaps that was only in some states?

If someone wants to hide behind religious freedom in these cases, perhaps their entire life should be scrutinized to be sure they are truly 'religious'?
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I'm not aware of cases prohibiting a religious exemption for somebody unless their church opposed the vaccination.

I don't think the courts would allow the government to determine if someone is "truly religious." They might be required to show their beliefs are "sincere" (conscientious objector).

Althea said:
Unless they worship chocolate.

Everyone worships chocolate
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Can they only worship white chocolate?
 
Flash said:
She probably hopes you get all your aggression out on JPP.
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Im aggressive but also fair with a sense of decency. I have had absolute WARS in here with both Concart and Diesel. But a funny thing happened along the way. About 6 weeks ago or so In a rare moment Diesel showed some real decency to me,...I returned that decency in kind, as anyone should. Since that time there has not been one cross word between us. Not one. Exact same thing happened with Concart a couple weeks ago. Im hoping it keeps going to be honest. Its all about common decency and respect with me. If I get it,...I will give it,.....doesnt matter who it is or what political party they vote for either. If the choice is between peace and war I will choose peace every single time if it is at all possible. IMO what we all need to remember is that just because we all may disagree politically it in no way means that the other person is some kind of monster because in most cases they are not. In fact, most are quite probably very nice people in the real world. There is only one Monster that inhabits this board,....that would be Dutch. He has no interest whatsoever in agreement,...only division.
 
Althea said:
Untreated bites can end up in death. It's no joke.

My point is that people have no reason to fear spiders.

They have a reason to understand them, though. Take precautions. Whenever I'm in a dirt crawlspace, I put cardboard down first.
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You spend a lot of time in dirt crawlspaces do you? What are you burying down there btw? :laugh: One Gacy is more than enuff! ;)
 
Stone said:
You spend a lot of time in dirt crawlspaces do you? What are you burying down there btw? :laugh: One Gacy is more than enuff! ;)
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I have had hundreds of MAGAs chained up in dark crawlspaces.

I let them out after the election.
 
Flash said:
Protected classes for places of public accommodation are: race, color, disability, sex, sexual orientation (including transgender status), national origin/ancestry, creed, marital status, and retaliation.

Could Nazi beliefs be considered a creed?

Creed (def): a set of fundamental beliefs
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SCOTUS let them march in Skokie so I'm guessing yes.

OTOH, left-handers aren't a protected class so we can all be thrown out of restaurants for eating with the wrong hand. :)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
SCOTUS let them march in Skokie so I'm guessing yes.
OTOH, left-handers aren't a protected class so we can all be thrown out of restaurants for eating with the wrong hand. :)
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The Skokie case was somewhat different. Their march was an exercise in free speech and did not conflict with any anti-discrimination laws. Some residents just objected and threatened violence. The required permit notified officials of the possible conflict so they could provide police protection.

I don't think the Nazis ever marched in Skokie.

I think you are right in that creed is a protected group--no group should be exempted from public accommodations laws.

I listened to the oral arguments for the case that refused to make a web site for gay weddings. An interesting point was that she didn't create a web site for each couple but simply provided a template and the couple entered their names, date, location, etc. She was not providing artistic or expressive work unique to each wedding.
 
Flash said:
The Skokie case was somewhat different. Their march was an exercise in free speech and did not conflict with any anti-discrimination laws. Some residents just objected and threatened violence. The required permit notified officials of the possible conflict so they could provide police protection.

I don't think the Nazis ever marched in Skokie.

I think you are right in that creed is a protected group--no group should be exempted from public accommodations laws.

I listened to the oral arguments for the case that refused to make a web site for gay weddings. An interesting point was that she didn't create a web site for each couple but simply provided a template and the couple entered their names, date, location, etc. She was not providing artistic or expressive work unique to each wedding.
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Not a lawyer, only a retiree, but I do strongly support live and let live. Too many fucking busybodies causes problems.

Supporting the ancient American belief of minding one's own fucking business, it appears both major political parties disagree and seek to impose their views upon all Americans, regardless of political affiliation.

My party supports a saner, more centered approach:

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