Only 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans

Exoendo said:
And may I remind everyone that grandpa munster mccain ran a campaign the last election in which his party caught flack for katrina, 2 unpopular wars, the economy downturn, and was on the heels of one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history, while concurrently being up against one of the *supposedly* most transformative figures in american politics, and only lost by a 3 percentage swing.
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There must be some republican viral chain email that went around with this 3% number, because I've seen this three percent number quoted numerous times in cyberspace.

Obama won by 7% points. Not 3%. Which is a landslide, in the context of modern american politics. Mike Dukkakis, who was considered to be blown out of the water, only lost by around 7% as I recall.
 
I don't really see 20% as all that low, considering that the Dems aren't going to be polling significantly larger than that. I don't think either party ever breaches 30% on a good day. That said, there are plenty of people like me running around who are RINOs, and just happen to be members at the moment, plus countless more who have revoked their membership but are obviously not Dems or liberals.

Also, 26 years ago was less than 10 years after Watergate, and a time when Republicans were doing quite well, so that's kind of odd to me as well. Overall, I don't really see these numbers as all that bad for the GOP. Especially in the long run.
 
The 'change' is not what everyone was hoping for. Only thing now the Republicans aren't trusted on more is immigration:

http://moelane.com/2009/10/20/the-october-rasmussen-trust-numbers-ten-for-ten/

Rasmussen hasn’t written the article yet – but they put the new numbers on their BY THE NUMBERS page. And it’s not pretty for Democrats:

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Note the dives on… everything, really, except immigration issues: the GOP increased its lead in 9 out of 10 categories since last month. But particularly note the Health Care, Social Security, Economy, and Taxes numbers. Does the Democratic Party feel like demonizing their opponents on health care rationing some more? – because I think that the GOP can somehow manage to find the strength to keep bearing up under the Democrats’ scorn.

Moe Lane
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blackascoal said:
I'd agree with much of that, but polls are snapshots .. and if the snapshot illustrates that republicans are still losing identity, then it is republicans themselves who best take notice.

Polls are important to strategists.
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This poll as you highlighted is bullshit, because you don't acknowledge who took part in the poll:

901.. Generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as (a Democrat), (a Republican), an independent or what? IF NOT DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN: Do you lean more towards the (Democratic Party) or (Republican Party)?


10/18/09 Democrat 33% Republican 20%
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_101909.html?sid=ST2009101902502
 
Watermark said:
I just like to throw together as many things that right-wingers hate as possible and call it my political ideology.

If you classified my political ideology you'd probably call it social liberalism - which is a liberal reaction to socialism which attempts to address some of the problems which became apparent in a liberal capitalist society. Obviously, in doing so it adopts some socialist approaches. So you could call it liberal socialism if you were just looking to piss people off and remain as unelectable as possible.
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Not just to "piss off people" but it seems the label is indeed appropriate.

I'm a democratic socialist .. driven there because I could not associate myself with liberals .. who are weak as doodoo. Could not possibly identify myself with the Democratic Party .. which has become a party of corporate-owned cowards.

The ideology that best fits my beliefs is by far that of democratic socialism.

Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

The definition of socialism is "people first" .. that's what I believe .. people first.
 
I am not a republican though I have voted for many a republican for president. I have voted for a few for congress and none at the state level.
 
blackascoal said:
Feel free to dismiss the poll. Nobody here, especially me, is trying to force you to agree with it.

Don't agree with it .. I don't care.
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Fell free to think the poll has meaning with regards to 'Republicans losing identity', given that 65% more Democrats voted in it compared to Republicans. Draw stupid conclusions... I don't care.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the statistic currently the most important....100% of Americans are in trouble because liberals control Congress and the White House.....
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With all due respect, that is a completly ridiculous comment.

A. Neither the White House or Obama is liberal.

B. The vast majority of the American know full-well where the crisis we face came from. The name "George Bush" was hardly spoken by REPUBLICANS.

C. You don't speak for the American people who are MUCH more satisfied with the direction of the country and the administration than they were during the Bush years.
 
Cypress said:
There must be some republican viral chain email that went around with this 3% number, because I've seen this three percent number quoted numerous times in cyberspace.

Obama won by 7% points. Not 3%. Which is a landslide, in the context of modern american politics. Mike Dukkakis, who was considered to be blown out of the water, only lost by around 7% as I recall.
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First it was 7 points solely if you round down McCain's number while rounding up Obama's (the actual percentages: Mccain 45.7% Obama 52.9%)... secondly, Dukakis was "blown out of the water" because he lost nearly every single state in the electoral college, not because of the percentage in the popular vote. Every state hated Dukakis, except a tiny region in the northeast, 3 states in the midwest and 2 states in the northwest. McCain outdid Dukakis by about double his votes in the electoral college.

The 3% swing is based on the 6% difference between Obama and McCain, if 3% voted McCain rather than Obama the result would have been a statistical tie.
 
Damocles said:
First it was 7 points solely if you round down McCain's number while rounding up Obama's (the actual percentages: Mccain 45.7% Obama 52.9%)... secondly, Dukakis was "blown out of the water" because he lost nearly every single state in the electoral college, not because of the percentage in the popular vote. Every state hated Dukakis, except a tiny region in the northeast, 3 states in the midwest and 2 states in the northwest. McCain outdid Dukakis by about double his votes in the electoral college.

The 3% swing is based on the 6% difference between Obama and McCain, if 3% voted McCain rather than Obama the result would have been a statistical tie.
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are we talking popular or electoral...remember bush in 2000
 
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