Another shooting school, just another day in America

Yakuda said:
The left just cant let a good crisis gi to waste. Remember they prefer truth to facts.
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There is not enough detail yet but it sure looks like this could have been avoided... people have to start taking responsibility when they see things that are wrong whether it's the family or friends or school...
 
TOP said:
There is not enough detail yet but it sure looks like this could have been avoided... people have to start taking responsibility when they see things that are wrong whether it's the family or friends or school...
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I'm not exactly sure how you avoid this without infringing in rights. I'm. It saying it shouldn't happen but infringing in rights should be rare.
 
Yakuda said:
I'm not exactly sure how you avoid this without infringing in rights. I'm. It saying it shouldn't happen but infringing in rights should be rare.
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It's not easy especially in a school setting and particularly if a minor is involved... but I think this young man was 18 when this might have begun...I really hope they pay attention to the details in this situation and use them to explore what could have and should have been done so that this stops happening:(
 
This incident was clearly premeditated and specifically targeted. The shooter and those shot knew each other. How well, we aren't told, but they clearly knew each other. The shooter and the two killed were all on the university's football team. Two others were hit by fire, but apparently not targets. The shooter only shot two specific people on a crowded bus so there was no randomness involved.

There clearly had to be some motive behind the shooter's actions, and that's what we need to know to determine why this happened. My suspicion is that it is drug, gang, or other criminal activity related.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
This incident was clearly premeditated and specifically targeted. The shooter and those shot knew each other. How well, we aren't told, but they clearly knew each other. The shooter and the two killed were all on the university's football team. Two others were hit by fire, but apparently not targets. The shooter only shot two specific people on a crowded bus so there was no randomness involved.

There clearly had to be some motive behind the shooter's actions, and that's what we need to know to determine why this happened. My suspicion is that it is drug, gang, or other criminal activity related.
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Or bullying
 
Nordberg said:
Exactly wrong. They are not related. We are fighting to keep drugs off the streets. Not so with guns.
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New York had a whole unit dedicated to getting guns off the street. Until defund the police. Drugs are streaming across our border because of the CBP are busy dealing with illegals who know they will likely
be allowed to stay in the US so they are coming in increasing numbers . The illegals means that the cartels know when and where the CBP will have their hands full so he he cartels sneak drugs across elsewhere
 
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ExpressLane said:
Or bullying
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The latest has the shooter as a longtime possessor of firearms, having had a previous arrest for illegally carrying concealed, as being investigated by the university for hazing, and a line of similar stuff. It sounds more like he was a gangster or wantabe, or just a thuggish jock.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The latest has the shooter as a longtime possessor of firearms, having had a previous arrest for illegally carrying concealed, as being investigated by the university for hazing, and a line of similar stuff. It sounds more like he was a gangster or wantabe, or just a thuggish jock.
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Sounds like he would have follow stronger gun laws if only had the Republicans not blocked them :facepalm:
 
archives said:
Not the Founders, rather the NRA, aka, gun manufacturers, even as much as Scalia, Alito, and Thomas bullshit, they don’t know what the Founders had in mind, but I’d wager it wasn’t a semiautomatic weapon in everyone’s closet
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there is not one scrap of historical evidence that indicates anything OTHER than the founders feared a new central government and sought to remove any power or authority of that new central government to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear their own arms, semi-auto and auto included.
 
ExpressLane said:
Or bullying
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Possibly. The shooter hasn't been on the football team since 2018. He came from a fatherless, poverty stricken background and, while a decent football player he had anger issues. Why he came back is still a mystery.

https://nypost.com/2022/11/14/uva-shooter-christopher-darnell-jones-football-backgound/
In 2018, the Richmond Times-Dispatch detailed’ Jones unprivileged upbringing, living in housing complexes such as Essex Village. A local legislator castigated Essex Village to the Richmond Free Press in 2017 as having had “unsafe and unsanitary conditions for far too long” prior to its sale.

In the Times-Dispatch story, Jones said that his parents divorced when he was five, and he did not see his father again until he was a teen.

“My dad and me were really close. It just hurt me when he had to leave,” Jones said. “That was one of the most traumatic things that happened to me in my life. I didn’t understand why he left. When I went to school, people didn’t understand me.”

Jones said that his mother worked nights, which meant he often had the responsibility of feeding his three younger siblings. He went to live with his grandmother for his senior year, which is why he switched schools to Petersburg.

While he got in a number of fights, he excelled on the football field and in the classroom, and football coaches became his “mentors.”

“He always had strong goals. He was ambitious, but his anger simply got in the way,” one of his mentors, Xavier Richardson, said in the 2018 story.

“I would get upset because my intelligence was being insulted. Kids would pick on me — ‘Why did you do that? Why did you answer that question?’ ” Jones said. “And in that world, disrespect means you should fight.”

Jones’ mother, Margo, briefly spoke to the Washington Post on Monday before hanging up the phone.

“I can tell you now that Chris was a good kid,” she told the outlet.

On Monday, UVA’s chief of police, Tim Longo, told reporters that Jones had been on their radar since September due to a prior incident....
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TOP said:
how are you going to regulate access to illegal guns? It's not hard for anyone to buy one of those these days... I don't think anyone has a problem with regulating access to guns in general... but of course if you have regulations you have to follow them... if you've got laws you've got to enforce them..People aren't afraid to break the law anymore..often there's little or no consequences these days...
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Access to guns, legal and illegal. Stopping the transfer of illegal guns from gun free States into gun restricted States, the “Iron Pipeline,” would help .

No regulation of gun access will work if laws vary from locale to locale, as does the degree or enforcement, there needs to be at least a minimum of uniformity
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Schools can do so. Let's be honest: More kids kill themselves than kill each other yet you, evince and other Democrats want to focus on the guns, not the kids.

Fine. Your choice. I've made my pitch. What others do about it, if anything, is up to them.
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Schools can screen kids, but again, it can open up an array of civil problems, not many parents want a school labeling their kid. And school shootings are only a fraction of all mass shootings

And it is not guns, rather the easy access to guns, there are too many guns out there and access is way to easy to too many guns, you can even get one on the legitimate Internet, just agree to follow all the rules by checking an on screen box and you are on your way
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Beto said he'd ban guns. Hillary said she'd ban guns albeit couched in terms of "Australian-style gun control" which means a mandatory buy-back program AKA gun confiscation.
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So you got two individuals, neither who ever had the powered to do what they said, again, it is not a question of confiscating guns, rather regulating guns
 
archives said:
Schools can screen kids, but again, it can open up an array of civil problems, not many parents want a school labeling their kid. And school shootings are only a fraction of all mass shootings

And it is not guns, rather the easy access to guns, there are too many guns out there and access is way to easy to too many guns, you can even get one on the legitimate Internet, just agree to follow all the rules by checking an on screen box and you are on your way
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Prove that "easy access to guns" results in more mass shootings. Telling us other countries don't have a problem isn't proof of anything.
 
archives said:
Schools can screen kids, but again, it can open up an array of civil problems, not many parents want a school labeling their kid. And school shootings are only a fraction of all mass shootings

And it is not guns, rather the easy access to guns, there are too many guns out there and access is way to easy to too many guns, you can even get one on the legitimate Internet, just agree to follow all the rules by checking an on screen box and you are on your way
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Teen suicide is a greater problem, but if Democrats think it's too much trouble, fine.

Seriously? You really believe I can order a gun and have it delivered to my house?
 
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