How can you have honest elections when half the ballots are MAIL-INS??

[Into the Night]

Being old

Those that come with age, geriatrical, haven’t you ever noticed ain’t a whole lot of OBG’s competing in the Olympics

Stupid fallacy

You don't have to be an Olympic athlete to vote!!

 

[Monad Portal]

Then it should be easy for you to prove it, gives us something to prove what you say

mail in voting is not secure. dillhole.

 

[Monad Portal]

They are identical. If you have noticed, in Arizona, the first step is seeing if their name is in the precinct logbook. Then signatures are compared. When that is done, he is marked as voted in the book. Then they are put in the tabulator. . I know it is simple and practically foolproof. They have been checked for decades and bad votes are extremely rare. You should be shamed of being one of them who cast our elections in doubt because of being a know nothing Trumplestilskin.

no they arent. none of that is done.

prove it.

 

[Into the Night]

MAGA isn't a militia. MAGA isn't a person.

Buy a mirror

MAGA isn't a person. It has no reflection in a mirror.

has this image that some hustler is filling out and mailing in ballots by the scores from some boiler room operation, ain’t happening,

It is happening.

Yes it is. You can't make this evidence go away by just denying it, dude.

Not possible with mass mail-in voting.

Prove it

RQAA.

Ballots have no name associated with them.

Ballots have no name associated with them.

No. You simply don't understand why ballot custody chain and ballot controls are so important.

Wrong
Obvious you never voted by mail
Idiocy
Wrong, pure radio rhetoric
Points out the hypocrisy of those spreading lies about mail in voting, did I mention a mirror

Washington State votes exclusively by mail, dumbass. I live here.
No name is associated with a ballot. Names are associated with envelopes, not ballots.
There is no secure custody chain of any ballot.

 

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mail in voting is not secure. dillhole.

And yet you can not offer any proof for anything you claim

NEXT

 

[Nordberg]

Every election is checked thoroughly and cheating is extremely rare. It is caught and prosecuted. Rightys just keep believing what they want, Evidence and fact are irrelevant.

 

[Monad Portal]

And yet you can not offer any proof for anything you claim

NEXT

the applicable standard of proof is for that of an ELECTION.

an election must positively prove it's veracity.

the standard for a criminal court is not the applicable standard.

If i may be so bold......

 

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MAGA isn't a person. It has no reflection in a mirror.


Yes it is. You can't make this evidence go away by just denying it, dude.



RQAA.


Washington State votes exclusively by mail, dumbass. I live here.
No name is associated with a ballot. Names are associated with envelopes, not ballots.
There is no secure custody chain of any ballot.

MAGA, no, it’s just a campaign slogan, but MAGA militia, it is those who blindly without reservation believe everything the initiator of the slogan says or does

There is no evidence, twice I asked for it to be provided and yet nothing appears, no one can disprove that which has yet to be proven

Anecdotal narratives offer little, and if it is as you claim, prove it, give us real evidence, not acronyms

 

[Nordberg]

no they arent. none of that is done.

prove it.

You have no level of shame. If you are paying attention to the counts on TV you would perhaps be able to understand the process by now. Mail-in is no different than walk-in, except you do not personally sign in front of an election worker. At that point, they are processed identically. In some states, the process is slowed down because the election commission is prohibited from counting the mail-ins as they are received. They cannot be open til polls close. You rightys really want to destroy America for Trump, don't you?
Why would there be 2 systems? What would they look like? How can that make sense?

 

[ExpressLane]

The MAGA militia actually believes there exists boiler rooms where people are filling out scores of mail in ballots, then dropping them into boxes and those ballots are counted in the voting total. “Pidgin” above even said the ballots have no names on them but are counted as real

They have zero proof of anything they claim but that ain’t stopping them from echoing the lies

What bother most of us are the multiple ballots delivered to apartments and house where the voters no longer live. That means voting is depending on those new inhabitants not to vote illegally. If a registered voter REQUESTS a ballot and the Registrar sends it to them, that is not a problem.

 

[Monad Portal]

You have no level of shame. If you are paying attention to the counts on TV you would perhaps be able to understand the process by now. Mail-in is no different than walk-in, except you do not personally sign in front of an election worker. At that point, they are processed identically. In some states, the process is slowed down because the election commission is prohibited from counting the mail-ins as they are received. They cannot be open til polls close. You rightys w\really want to destroy America for Trump, don't you?

it is very different. eyewitness to the chain of custody.

mail in clearly less secure.

disputing that makes you look retarded.

 

[ExpressLane]

You have no level of shame. If you are paying attention to the counts on TV you would perhaps be able to understand the process by now. Mail-in is no different than walk-in, except you do not personally sign in front of an election worker. At that point, they are processed identically. In some states, the process is slowed down because the election commission is prohibited from counting the mail-ins as they are received. They cannot be open til polls close. You rightys w\really want to destroy America for Trump, don't you?

Most mail in ballots were sent to every registered voter on the roles EVEN if they had moved or died. . So as a result we had multiple ballots arriving to people they did not belong to. Then the standards for identification were reduced or just abolished. As a result you could not honestly say the person that returned the ballot had the right to cast that ballot.

 

[ExpressLane]

it is very different. eyewitness to the chain of custody.

mail in clearly less secure.

disputing that makes you look retarded.

Indeed

 

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the applicable standard of proof is for that of an ELECTION.

an election must positively prove it's veracity.

the standard for a criminal court is not the applicable standard.

If i may be so bold......

And again, show us proof that mail in ballots, or the election, or whatever deflection you come up with next, isn’t authentic

 

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Most mail in ballots were sent to every registered voter on the roles EVEN if they had moved or died. . So as a result we had multiple ballots arriving to people they did not belong to. Then the standards for identification were reduced or just abolished. As a result you could not honestly say the person that returned the ballot had the right to cast that ballot.

So you are saying that if the local board of elections gets say twenty two ballots with the same name on them they count all twenty two votes, correct?

 

[Into the Night]

no they arent. none of that is done.

prove it.

In Arizona, a signature roster of registered voters is available to election workers. When you go to a polling place to vote, you sign for your ballot, and that signature is quickly compared with the signature roster, which also acts as a log showing who has voted.
There are two systems in use in Arizona, an optical system and a DRE (or Digital Recording Electronically) voting.
At the polling place, you are given a ballot or a card to enable an electronic ballot in a DRE machine. For optical voting, you are given a card to fill in with the bubbles in a private booth. You then feed your card into the local tabulator.

Each polling place maintains it's own tabulators. These are then securely transmitted to a central counting office in that county that announces the results to the State elections office.

Observers are allowed in any polling place or election office.

People can request a one time mail-in ballot. They must do this before each election. These ballots are counted at the county election office.

A couple of weak spots here:
* The machines ARE the tabulators. The ones in Maricopa county failed. An unknown number of votes were lost, and those that voted on these machines lost their vote. Voting in that county was largely by mass mail-in voting instead. This is what all the news stories on it are talking about.

* How does one know if the machine is accurate? Sure, obvious faults can be easily caught, but what about weighted vote counting? Can an observer catch this? Probably not unless it was grossly obvious.
* How does one know of the county office registered the tabulations coming in from the polls? Sure the communications path is encrypted, and the data moved across the line, but was it actually stored accurately? Could bias be introduced at this step? I doubt an observer could tell the difference, unless it was grossly obvious.

Thus, in tight races, fraud is still quite possible in Arizona.

 

[Monad Portal]

And again, show us proof that mail in ballots, or the election, or whatever deflection you come up with next, isn’t authentic

the election must positively prove itself. the burden of proof is on the election.

it is not a court of law.

 

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In Arizona, a signature roster of registered voters is available to election workers. When you go to a polling place to vote, you sign for your ballot, and that signature is quickly compared with the signature roster, which also acts as a log showing who has voted.
There are two systems in use in Arizona, an optical system and a DRE (or Digital Recording Electronically) voting.
At the polling place, you are given a ballot or a card to enable an electronic ballot in a DRE machine. For optical voting, you are given a card to fill in with the bubbles in a private booth. You then feed your card into the local tabulator.

Each polling place maintains it's own tabulators. These are then securely transmitted to a central counting office in that county that announces the results to the State elections office.

Observers are allowed in any polling place or election office.

People can request a one time mail-in ballot. They must do this before each election. These ballots are counted at the county election office.

A couple of weak spots here:
* The machines ARE the tabulators. The ones in Maricopa county failed. An unknown number of votes were lost, and those that voted on these machines lost their vote. Voting in that county was largely by mass mail-in voting instead. This is what all the news stories on it are talking about.

* How does one know if the machine is accurate? Sure, obvious faults can be easily caught, but what about weighted vote counting? Can an observer catch this? Probably not unless it was grossly obvious.
* How does one know of the county office registered the tabulations coming in from the polls? Sure the communications path is encrypted, and the data moved across the line, but was it actually stored accurately? Could bias be introduced at this step? I doubt an observer could tell the difference, unless it was grossly obvious.

Thus, in tight races, fraud is still quite possible in Arizona.

Wait a minute, is “pidgin” really using a post off of another forum, a flat earther forum at that, as “proof” mail in voting is fraudulent? For real? And please, none of the ad hominem bullshit, it is a post, just a post, off of another forum. Beautiful

And to end this idiocy, the Heritage Foundation, and nothing comes as right as the Heritage Foundation, documented less than forty incidents of fraud in voting (https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud...ombine=&fraud_type=All&state=All&year=&page=0), which pretty much proves all this voter fraud rhetoric is pure bullshit

 

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the election must positively prove itself. the burden of proof is on the election.

it is not a court of law.

And you got nothing to offer proving the election wasn’t on the up and up, zero, zilch, nothing, diddly-squat, zippo

Didn’t I say this previously, NEXT

 

[Into the Night]

There is no way we can have honest elections as long as today's Republican Party is part of the process. You guys are among the most dishonest Americans in history.

If you want to do something to increase honesty in politics in America...move to Canada. Become their problem.

Inversion fallacy. Discard of the republics. Redefinition fallacy (dictatorship<->republic).