Anti intellectualism...

[Jarod]

Are we really a nation that wants to engage in so much anti intellectualism?

Seriously, an attack on people who have been educated is an attack on thousands of years of study and hard work at learning.

Many things come from being educated.

This does not deminish the fact that new novel and important discoveries can come from those who are not intellectual, but both are valuable. Were our founding fathers not intellectuals?

Do we want to discount all of science because it came almost exculsivly from educated people? Do we distrust a discovery because it came from an intellectual?

Is this just a way of lying to the masses, denying a scientific discovery merely because it came from an intellectual? Evolution is a great example...

 

[Topspin]

I thought this thread was going to be about FOX.

 

[DamnYankee]

Educated people often lack common sense.

 

[Jarod]

I thought this thread was going to be about FOX.

In a way it is!

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Are we really a nation that wants to engage in so much anti intellectualism?

Seriously, an attack on people who have been educated is an attack on thousands of years of study and hard work at learning.

Many things come from being educated.

This does not deminish the fact that new novel and important discoveries can come from those who are not intellectual, but both are valuable. Were our founding fathers not intellectuals?

Do we want to discount all of science because it came almost exculsivly from educated people? Do we distrust a discovery because it came from an intellectual?

Is this just a way of lying to the masses, denying a scientific discovery merely because it came from an intellectual? Evolution is a great example...

What you considered education is just an indoctrination into totalitarian elitist thinking.

Economics especially.

Educated people are often quite stupid and unable to think for themselves.

They are merely good memorizers who can regurgitate the elitist concepts they've been taught. You fall into this category.

 

[Jarod]

Educated people often lack common sense.

Finally something I agree wtih SnM about... THat does not mean that educated people dont often contribute much to society.

 

[Jarod]

What you considered education is just an indoctrination into totalitarian elitist thinking.

Economics especially.

Educated people are often quite stupid and unable to think for themselves.

They are merely good memorizers who can regurgitate the elitist concepts they've been taught. You fall into this category.

If you study education you are partly correct, but in order to get a PHD and often a Masters Degree, one is required to do something that brings us beyond current learning. A Thesis or disertation on something origional that is beyond current knoledge.

I would love to change our educational system that encouraged more origional thinking and creative thought.

Still none of this means we shold discount intellectual thought, or the product of intellectual thought.

Our nation, in a large part, was the result of intellectual thought.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

If you study education you are partly correct, but in order to get a PHD and often a Masters Degree, one is required to do something that brings us beyond current learning. A Thesis or disertation on something origional that is beyond current knoledge.

I would love to change our educational system that encouraged more origional thinking and creative thought.

Still none of this means we shold discount intellectual thought, or the product of intellectual thought.

Our nation, in a large part, was the result of intellectual thought.

What passes for intellectual thought today should be discarded, however.

 

[Jarod]

What passes for intellectual thought today should be discarded, however.

Some of it, not all of it.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I thought this thread was going to be about FOX.

LOL Me too! LOL

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Educated people often lack common sense.

Please, explain this to me. What's common about sense?

 

[Socrtease]

Anti-Intellectualism comes almost entirely from a small subset of the right. They don't like intellectuals because the more educated you become (and I am speaking in generalities here) the more tolerent of difference you become. Other than the people that Jim Crow was affecting directly, who became the most vocal supporters of civil rights? College students, while blue collar america, from north and south, were still very much "They keep to theirs and we will keep to ours." Same with support of gay rights, college educated people have more contact with homosexuals in an academic environment and see that except for 5% of their lives, they are like everyone else. People with college educations are going to be more likely to believe in evolution, while people with less education are going to be likely to believe in what they were taught in church, because more than likely High School science class didn't cover evolution much more than to say that it is Darwin's theory. So the more open minded a person becomes the less they look like a modern day social conservative. The less they look like a modern day social conservative, the more social conservatives mock higher education. Even within their own ranks, social conservatives are suspicious of people like George Will and William F. Buckley (RIP Bill). That is because, while they have much in common, men and women like Will and Buckley will buck the social conservatives in some way that rubs wrong. Buckley and drugs comes to mind. Will and his faltering support of Bush. Shit lots of conservatives even began to speak ill of Goldwater when Barry took up the support of gays in the military. THere are tons of intellectuals among Conservatives but the more intellectual you become the harder it is to hang on to the social conservative mantra in its entirety (sp).

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Educated people often lack common sense.

I'd also say that's an anti intellectual comment made by the uneducated to give themselves a sense of supperiority over those mysterious edumacated peoples. (and NO, I'm not implying you are uneducated.)

My honest observation is the exact opposite. No one suffers as much from lack of sense as those lacking in education. From making poor decisions about life style choices, diet, exercise, finances, careers, relationships, etc, it has been my experience that an education provides a person with more tools to think critically and thus make sensible decisions then those whom lack education.

Does an education guarentee that one will have sense? Hardly. One still has to think and make good decisions but I'd wager the more a person is educated the better prepared they are in life to do just exactly that.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Anti-Intellectualism comes almost entirely from a small subset of the right. They don't like intellectuals because the more educated you become (and I am speaking in generalities here) the more tolerent of difference you become. Other than the people that Jim Crow was affecting directly, who became the most vocal supporters of civil rights? College students, while blue collar america, from north and south, were still very much "They keep to theirs and we will keep to ours." Same with support of gay rights, college educated people have more contact with homosexuals in an academic environment and see that except for 5% of their lives, they are like everyone else. People with college educations are going to be more likely to believe in evolution, while people with less education are going to be likely to believe in what they were taught in church, because more than likely High School science class didn't cover evolution much more than to say that it is Darwin's theory. So the more open minded a person becomes the less they look like a modern day social conservative. The less they look like a modern day social conservative, the more social conservatives mock higher education. Even within their own ranks, social conservatives are suspicious of people like George Will and William F. Buckley (RIP Bill). That is because, while they have much in common, men and women like Will and Buckley will buck the social conservatives in some way that rubs wrong. Buckley and drugs comes to mind. Will and his faltering support of Bush. Shit lots of conservatives even began to speak ill of Goldwater when Barry took up the support of gays in the military. THere are tons of intellectuals among Conservatives but the more intellectual you become the harder it is to hang on to the social conservative mantra in its entirety (sp).

You have it completely wrong. Our educational establishments have been taken over by globalists. these globalists exploit race and gender issues to maximize their own power.

They want to build a new world order, using america's military, while at the same time subjugating it's people. Since the majority of americans are white, they use racial division to make minorities feel they will personally benefit in the new system, because white people will be destroyed. They're just using hate.

Open mindedness sometimes just means naive idiot. You're probably in this category.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I'd also say that's an anti intellectual comment made by the uneducated to give themselves a sense of supperiority over those mysterious edumacated peoples. (and NO, I'm not implying you are uneducated.)

My honest observation is the exact opposite. No one suffers as much from lack of sense as those lacking in education. From making poor decisions about life style choices, diet, exercise, finances, careers, relationships, etc, it has been my experience that an education provides a person with more tools to think critically and thus make sensible decisions then those whom lack education.

Does an education guarentee that one will have sense? Hardly. One still has to think and make good decisions but I'd wager the more a person is educated the better prepared they are in life to do just exactly that.

Actually, what I'm seeing is when "educated people" started getting their asses handed to them by actually smart people who can think for themselves, they start little circle jerk threads like to this to buttress their own demolished egos.

 

[Socrtease]

You have it completely wrong. Our educational establishments have been taken over by globalists. these globalists exploit race and gender issues to maximize their own power.

They want to build a new world order, using america's military, while at the same time subjugating it's people. Since the majority of americans are white, they use racial division to make minorities feel they will personally benefit in the new system, because white people will be destroyed. They're just using hate.

Open mindedness sometimes just means naive idiot. You're probably in this category.

Sometimess, just sometimes mind you, I think you are a character out of The Turner Diaries. Where in Universities are these meetings taking place where they teach all this hate whitey rhetoric? Must be in the stacks of university libraries, but probably not because that would disturb all the sex going on there. Maybe it is in all those black studies classes, but wait, white people take those classes too. I wonder, maybe the professor says that "class is canceled tomorrow" but with a wink and a nod lets the minority students know that tomorrow will be hate whitey day.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Sometimess, just sometimes mind you, I think you are a character out of The Turner Diaries. Where in Universities are these meetings taking place where they teach all this hate whitey rhetoric? Must be in the stacks of university libraries, but probably not because that would disturb all the sex going on there. Maybe it is in all those black studies classes, but wait, white people take those classes too. I wonder, maybe the professor says that "class is canceled tomorrow" but with a wink and a nod lets the minority students know that tomorrow will be hate whitey day.

The Black Studies department. All the deparments where Affirmative Action is lauded. Corporate HR departments.

White people can also be racist against whites. It's called white guilt.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Anti-intellectualism is a form of bigotry in which certain social groups define themselves as "common people" and marginalize "others" as "intellectuals", "Elitist", "City Slickers", "Intelligentsia", etc. It's a form of bigotry that can be racist. Jews and Asians are often stereotyped as "Intellectuals". Tt can also be populist. Some rural and working class people will stereotype urban and educated persons as "Intellectuals".

This can occur for a variety of reasons. Fandamentalist religions tend to promote anti-intellectualism as they often advocate faith and belief over reason and critical thinking.

Authoritarians also tend to be anti-intellectuals as they see educated people as threats because of their tendency to ask questions about existing social norms and because they tend to dissent from established opinion. Since educated people ussually reject nationalism, Authoritarians tend to marginalize them as unpatriotic and subversives.

So look down this list of anti-intellectuals, i.e., the racist, populist, fundamentalist and authoritarians and then look at the present coalition of the Repblican party and tell me, how could anyone be surprized that the Republcian party would be anti-intellectual?

With the Republicans present coalition I'd be amazed if they weren't anti-intellectual.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Actually, what I'm seeing is when "educated people" started getting their asses handed to them by actually smart people who can think for themselves, they start little circle jerk threads like to this to buttress their own demolished egos.

That's an asinine comment. You're making a mutually exclusive statement that educated people cannot be "actually smart". If youi're actually smart, why wouldn't you educate yourself?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Anti-intellectualism is a form of bigotry in which certain social groups define themselves as "common people" and marginalize "others" as "intellectuals", "Elitist", "City Slickers", "Intelligentsia", etc. It's a form of bigotry that can be racist. Jews and Asians are often stereotyped as "Intellectuals". Tt can also be populist. Some rural and working class people will stereotype urban and educated persons as "Intellectuals".

This can occur for a variety of reasons. Fandamentalist religions tend to promote anti-intellectualism as they often advocate faith and belief over reason and critical thinking.

Authoritarians also tend to be anti-intellectuals as they see educated people as threats because of their tendency to ask questions about existing social norms and because they tend to dissent from established opinion. Since educated people ussually reject nationalism, Authoritarians tend to marginalize them as unpatriotic and subversives.

So look down this list of anti-intellectuals, i.e., the racist, populist, fundamentalist and authoritarians and then look at the present coalition of the Repblican party and tell me, how could anyone be surprized that the Republcian party would be anti-intellectual?

With the Republicans present coalition I'd be amazed if they weren't anti-intellectual.

We will be anti-elitist. We will not accept the lies told to us by elitists like yourself that slavery through globalization, cap and trade, and nationalized healthcare is the best way to go.

We simply beg to differ.