US troops on the ground in Ukraine

[SmarterthanYou]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-confirms-us-boots-ground-ukraine-close-front-lines

Two bombshell reports by the Associated Press and Washington Post Monday and Tuesday have confirmed that the United States has boots on the ground in the Ukraine conflict. Crucially, these troops are performing tasks separate from mere embassy security.

 

[moon]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-confirms-us-boots-ground-ukraine-close-front-lines

Two bombshell reports by the Associated Press and Washington Post Monday and Tuesday have confirmed that the United States has boots on the ground in the Ukraine conflict. Crucially, these troops are performing tasks separate from mere embassy security.

Legitimate targets ?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The Ukraine - Russia war is getting more and more dangerous in that shit like this, done by the Retard-in-Shit in the White House, is going to get us all killed.

 

[evince]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-confirms-us-boots-ground-ukraine-close-front-lines

Two bombshell reports by the Associated Press and Washington Post Monday and Tuesday have confirmed that the United States has boots on the ground in the Ukraine conflict. Crucially, these troops are performing tasks separate from mere embassy security.

Zero hedge is trash

 

[evince]

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[Noking]

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[evince]

And they are Austrian school of economics



CLOWNS

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The usual attack the source from the Left rather than deal with the material.

US troops checking Ukraine weapons delivery sites against theft threat

https://nypost.com/2022/11/01/us-tr...-weapons-delivery-sites-against-theft-threat/

The DoD site news:

US forces now on the ground in Ukraine

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/11/us-forces-now-on-the-ground-in-ukraine/

Here's a radical Leftist site that should satisfy our radicals like evince...

Pentagon confirms deployment of active-duty military personnel in Ukraine

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/02/ukra-n02.html

So, address the material, don't attack the source.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Zero hedge is trash

The article points out that the American personnel are monitoring the usage of US-supplied weapons and systems. They aren't engaged in combat.

Remember when the Russian-backed Separatists shot down MH17? They used a high-tech, highly sophisticated Buk 9M83 surface-to-air missile system. That's not something that can be learned watching a Youtube video. There was a Russian technical advisor there in a training capacity, not a chain of command or combat capacity.

It's actually a common practice for nations selling advanced weapons systems to foreigners.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44235402

But on Thursday Wilbert Paulissen, a Dutch official from the Joint Investigation Team (JIT), told reporters: "All the vehicles in a convoy carrying the missile were part of the Russian armed forces."

He restated the JIT's conclusion that the plane had been destroyed by a Russian-made Buk missile, adding that it had been supplied by the country's 53rd anti-aircraft brigade in Kursk.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...5m-arms-ukraine-alongside-accountability-plan

"Helping to ensure Ukraine maintains control of its territory is a primary means to limit potential illicit diversion of weapons by Russia’s forces, Russia’s proxies, and non-state actors," the State Dept. said, explaining the difficulty of close tracking due to the lack of US troop presence on the ground.

This new arms accountability plan will focus on three areas, according to a comprehensive document:

• Bolstering the ability of security forces in Ukraine and its neighboring states to account for and safeguard their arms and ammunition during transfer, in storage, and when deployed;
• Strengthening border management and security in Ukraine and its neighboring states; and
• Building the capacity of security forces, law enforcement officials, and border control agencies in Ukraine and its neighboring states to deter, detect, and interdict illicit trafficking of certain advanced conventional weapons.

 

[Noking]

The usual attack the source from the Left rather than deal with the material.


https://nypost.com/2022/11/01/us-tr...-weapons-delivery-sites-against-theft-threat/

The DoD site news:


https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/11/us-forces-now-on-the-ground-in-ukraine/

Here's a radical Leftist site that should satisfy our radicals like evince...


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/02/ukra-n02.html

So, address the material, don't attack the source.

"U.S. military personnel are now on the ground in Ukraine, keeping track of and inspecting weapons the U.S. has shipped to Ukrainian forces"

The Americans in the Ukraine are not there in a combat role; so much for hyping-up the story.

 

[dukkha]

Findland's National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) said it has received preliminary information that criminals in Finland might have captured military arms, such as assault rifles, meant for Ukrainian forces.
https://yle.fi/news/3-12670239

 

[goat]

The article points out that the American personnel are monitoring the usage of US-supplied weapons and systems. They aren't engaged in combat.

Remember when the Russian-backed Separatists shot down MH17? They used a high-tech, highly sophisticated Buk 9M83 surface-to-air missile system. That's not something that can be learned watching a Youtube video. There was a Russian technical advisor there in a training capacity, not a chain of command or combat capacity.

It's actually a common practice for nations selling advanced weapons systems to foreigners.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44235402


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...5m-arms-ukraine-alongside-accountability-plan

You believe anything government tells you. Under your desk, ass up, in a nuclear raid.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You believe anything government tells you. Under your desk, ass up, in a nuclear raid.

^^^
comeing from JPP's top conspiracy theorist and cyberstalker, I'll take that as a compliment that you care.

 

[goat]

^^^
comeing from JPP's top conspiracy theorist and cyberstalker, I'll take that as a compliment that you care.

US troops have always been in Ukraine -- it's Russia's front door. But mostly it's private contractors like Blackwater.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

"U.S. military personnel are now on the ground in Ukraine, keeping track of and inspecting weapons the U.S. has shipped to Ukrainian forces"

The Americans in the Ukraine are not there in a combat role; so much for hyping-up the story.

It doesn't fucking matter what they're doing in Ukraine, they are in Ukraine. They are subject to attack, being killed or captured, even if it is unlikely that happens. It heightens the risk of open war between the US and Russia.

It's no different than the presence of the USS Panay in China in the 1930's where it was bombed and sunk by the Japanese. Same thing. Presence heightens risk of direct conflict.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

US troops have always been in Ukraine -- it's Russia's front door. But mostly it's private contractors like Blackwater.

Private contractors like Blackwater ARE NOT US troops. They are private security guards.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The Ukraine - Russia war is getting more and more dangerous in that shit like this, done by the Retard-in-Shit in the White House, is going to get us all killed.

First of all, so what? The Trumpanzee SCOTUS has turned our nation into such a deplorable shithole that nobody's life is worth shit anymore anyway.

No better example than Herr Gardner himself.

And second, having troops in Ukraine makes a hell of a lot more sense than hauling my ass off to Vietnam ever did over a half century ago.
Same thing with wasting time, money, and lives in the wastelands of the Middle East.

Europe is actually a civilized continent worth trying to save.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

First of all, so what? The Trumpanzee SCOTUS has turned our nation into such a deplorable shithole that nobody's life is worth shit anymore anyway.

No better example than Herr Gardner himself.

And second, having troops in Ukraine makes a hell of a lot more sense than hauling my ass off to Vietnam ever did over a half century ago.
Same thing with wasting time, money, and lives in the wastelands of the Middle East.

Europe is actually a civilized continent worth trying to save.

This isn't about FUCKING TRUMP! It's about the current administration putting US troops physically in a war zone in Ukraine. It doesn't matter that they are in a "rear area." It matters they could become targets for Russian attack.

Actually, Vietnam made more sense than massively aiding Ukraine does.

 

[goat]

Private contractors like Blackwater ARE NOT US troops. They are private security guards.

Obama's proxy war with Putin had US troops in Ukraine as far back as 2012.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Obama's proxy war with Putin had US troops in Ukraine as far back as 2012.

And, that's bad for the US. Ukraine isn't worth the massive effort we're shoving into it.

Assume Ukraine wins this war. How does that change US foreign policy or trade?

Assume Ukraine loses this war. How does that change US foreign policy or trade?

The answers are very similar, if not the same.