BidenPresident
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I do.
Do people even want America to be a democracy?
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BartenderElite
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"We're not a democracy" has been a Republican talking point since 2020.
Democracy doesn't work for them anymore. The demographics are changing in a way that doesn't benefit them. Their worst fear is probably the idea of everyone in the country actually voting; they'd lose every single election if we had 100% turnout.
They'll continue to try to suppress the vote, and make America more of an oligarchy, or even dictatorship. They're on a different path now than the one the founders envisioned.
Democracy doesn't work for them anymore. The demographics are changing in a way that doesn't benefit them. Their worst fear is probably the idea of everyone in the country actually voting; they'd lose every single election if we had 100% turnout.
They'll continue to try to suppress the vote, and make America more of an oligarchy, or even dictatorship. They're on a different path now than the one the founders envisioned.
Founders like John Adams ? Here are some of his words on the subject:
- “There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”
- “[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few.”
- “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty.”
Well put. Fear breeds fascism, breeds hate, breeds the desire from the low-minded to do away with "the other", whoever they're conditioned to believe that is.
How many "scary caravans with terrorists from Mexico" did we have during the trump admin?
Republicans are just pussies who need a daddy to tell them who is responsible for their failures and take care of "the problem".
cawacko
Well-known member
Not that this board should be proxy for anything but let me ask you this. There are multiple liberal posters on this board who had said they wanted people they disagree with politically to die. We've also had multiple liberals say they wish the country would be divided into red and blue states.
Not a rhetorical question, is there a name for the type of democracy where we have free elections but the only people who can live in the country are ones who think a certain way?
BartenderElite
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I appreciate the devil's advocacy. There isn't that I know of. If you support democracy, you need to support all of the flaws & outcomes that it entails. Including losing elections, being out of power, and the rest of it. The idea is that if you're out of power, you need to present ideas that are compelling and can win over a majority. Not just shake your fists at the sky exclaiming "this isn't working for me anymore!"
Presidents DID used to have a honeymoon period, where most of the country would accept results and fall in line behind the new leader, to give him a chance (no gender add needed there - we're still waiting to see a woman elected to the highest office). Obviously, it's not just Republicans who have abandoned this. But Republicans do seem to be turning on the general idea of democracy more quickly than their Dem counterparts. I haven't heard any Democrats or lefties argue that "we're not a democracy," or try to restrict voting.
evince
Truthmatters
Back in that day the word democracy was equal to what is now called direct or pure democracy
The founders designed a whole new form of government
They created a hybrid of democracy and a republic
It meant the people picked Who would go do the actual law making like a republic
But republics of old didn’t let THE PEOPLE pick who represented them
Sure someone was picked to represent your interests
But you didn’t get to pick them
Go read the history of the word democracy
evince
Truthmatters
Check out the pledge of allegiance, dipshit.
BidenPresident
Verified User
What about it?
evince
Truthmatters
There are pages and pages on this site of me arguing with the ones who claim we are not a democracy
Then they say
We are a republic
Yes
A democratic republic as created by the founders who caused the word democracy to be redefined with their beautiful idea
A democracy
And a republic ids also considered a democracy
I would show them these facts with dictionaries and encyclopedias
They would deny those sources as wrong
I would tell them their argument was not with me
Their argument was with every dictionary and encyclopedia that exists
It was a calculated thing the Republican Party did
To kill democracy
They are almost there
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
I do too, and the best way to preserve and forward that is to vote 100% against the Progressive Left.
evince
Truthmatters
A republic is a type of democracy idiot
Want me to get the dictionary and encyclopedia for you russian dip shit?
BidenPresident
Verified User
evince
Truthmatters
How so?
You guys trash democratic elections unless you win
That is destroying democracy not honoring it you Siberian shit hole
evince
Truthmatters
evince
Truthmatters
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
Definition of democracy
1a : government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.
from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy
— C. M. Roberts
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
Definition of democracy
1a : government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.
from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy
— C. M. Roberts
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges