Biden decapitates Chinese semiconductor technology

Matt Dillon said:
This was too much, too soon, and will have far-reaching unintended negative consequences on American industry.

You get the infrastructure to make your own chips first before doing something like this.

Words on paper are not enough.
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For an electronics industry to come back to the States, several things are going to have to happen:

* The EPA must be disbanded. The 'laws' this unconstitutional department impose on businesses have made it way too difficult to obtain the materials required to manufacture components on a large scale, EVEN THOUGH the use of these materials is minute and little to no waste is generated.

* Taxes must be lowered for such businesses. The profit margin is too small to withstand the high taxes here.

* The overregulation of building and property must be severely reduced. The current regulations don't increase safety significantly, and cost a lot to implement. It has become yet another tax burden instead.

* Training has to occur to teach people how to operate this machinery and maintain it. Such technicians aren't exactly a dime a dozen.

* Price on controls on labor must be eliminated. Pay must be according to market demand, not on fascism.

* Materials must be locally available. Mining restrictions must be lifted.

* Go back to using stock components, and avoid customization of chips.

The electronics industry moved out of the United States to places like Japan, South Korea, South Vietnam, Mexico, and Taiwan because it is far more practical to manufacture there. China's contribution is mainly in mechanicals and circuit boards. They don't manufacture much in the way of electronic components.

Anyone purchasing electronic components can easily see this. Most of them come from Japan or South Korea and have for a long time. Stock chips also come from these places. Taiwan's specialty is in creating custom chips, which have lately become quite popular, found in everything from cars to cell phones to displays.

The current shortage is due to covid19 panic, STILL a problem. It has closed ports in both Asia and on the west coast of the States. These ports are STILL not functioning at all well. Vancouver BC, Canada is no save haven for shipping either, since Canada has become a dictatorship and customs into the States is a BIG problem for shipping. This problem is causing shortages in a lot more than electronics. What used to take a couple of weeks is now taking months to ship. Ships are literally choosing to go through the extra expense of the Panama Canal and deliver to gulf ports which are open and functioning normally, then shipping stuff BACK to the west coast by rail or truck.

It's a mess out west.

Here and there you see a glimmer of hope. There ARE some chip manufacturers in the States (such as Micron Technologies, etc), but they manufacture memory in fairly low quantities compared to anywhere in Asia or Mexico.

As we speak, literally tens of thousands of trucks and cars have been manufactured, but are awaiting the electronic components to arrive. These cars and trucks are parked anywhere manufacturers can put them. Domestically build EV's are particularly hit hard, since their batteries or the material to make them must be imported and is facing the same delays and problems, and they depend on the computer for EVERYTHING, not just motive power, such as a FADEC gasoline engine does.

Shortages are everywhere. The same high fuel prices you experience hits the shippers too...hard.
 
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Into the Night said:
Wikipedia is not a valid reference. It is wrong yet again. The fabrication plants in the States make only prototypes and some manufacture specialized memory. That's it. Learn what 'fact' means. It does not mean 'proof' or 'Universal Truth'.
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The majority of Intel chips are produced in America. Intel is a huge chip manufacturer.
 
Semiconductors were invented in the US and have been around since the 1700s. However, it's not until recent years, when technology has finally caught up, that the world has really started to appreciate its potential. Something the US has been very much aware of all along. Therefore, President Biden I believe at ensuring the historic and quality legacy of the U.S. semiconductor industry is maintained against foreign elements that would corrupt the nature of semiconductor technology. This is something that the lawlessly hacked in tRump mob conspiring with his treasonous repuks attempted to destroy in favor of their foreign owned pimps and their cheap and substandard copies.

https://www.mrlcg.com/latest-media/... were invented in the,much aware of all along.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Intel is a disaster.
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You are half right. Intel had a real problem making the last jump to a new generation of chip making, and has fallen behind.

This has left America not able to produce the newest, best chips, nor the oldest, simplest chips, but we still produce a lot of chips in the middle.
 
gemini104104 said:
Semiconductors were invented in the US and have been around since the 1700s. However, it's not until recent years, when technology has finally caught up, that the world has really started to appreciate its potential. Something the US has been very much aware of all along. Therefore, President Biden I believe at ensuring the historic and quality legacy of the U.S. semiconductor industry is maintained against foreign elements that would corrupt the nature of semiconductor technology. This is something that the lawlessly hacked in tRump mob conspiring with his treasonous repuks attempted to destroy in favor of their foreign owned pimps and their cheap and substandard copies.

https://www.mrlcg.com/latest-media/... were invented in the,much aware of all along.
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Trump wasn't President in the mid 70's. Carter was.
 
Walt said:
You are half right. Intel had a real problem making the last jump to a new generation of chip making, and has fallen behind.

This has left America not able to produce the newest, best chips, nor the oldest, simplest chips, but we still produce a lot of chips in the middle.
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There is no 'best' chip.
 
gemini104104 said:
Semiconductors were invented in the US and have been around since the 1700s. However, it's not until recent years, when technology has finally caught up, that the world has really started to appreciate its potential. Something the US has been very much aware of all along. Therefore, President Biden I believe at ensuring the historic and quality legacy of the U.S. semiconductor industry is maintained against foreign elements that would corrupt the nature of semiconductor technology. This is something that the lawlessly hacked in tRump mob conspiring with his treasonous repuks attempted to destroy in favor of their foreign owned pimps and their cheap and substandard copies.

https://www.mrlcg.com/latest-media/... were invented in the,much aware of all along.
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Semiconductors have been around since the 18th century, wtf?
 
Its worth noting that except for their AI directed surveillance state program and a few limited national security efforts the Chinese have purposefully not become dependent on the best chips. They have since about five years ago when they figured out that they will in time go to war with the West used older chips, that they can make themselves even without the province of Taiwan.
 
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What the West will learn in time is that the older chips are mostly good enough, that one of the best cards the dying West thought we had is not that great.
 
Into the Night said:
Very few semiconductors are made in the States. Prototype stuff really, and a few memory chips. That's about it.
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That may be true, but like Texas Instruments- who basically invented the semiconductor- has over 2500 clean-room sites around the world- so we may only make 12% of them today in America, BUT AMERICAN COMPANIES Like Texas Instruments ARE THE ONES MAKING THE MONEY FROM THE SALES OF SEMICONDUCTORS manufactured around the world..
 
Into the Night said:
Hillsborough does not produce production chips.
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Intel Oregon offers a state-of-the-art wafer fabrication development and manufacturing campus dedicated to Intel® chip designs and processes. It is also home to the world's first 300 mm Research and Pathfinding Laboratory, where employees develop silicon technologies that are two to three generations ahead of Intel's current manufacturing processes, and develop new ways to make digital technologies easier to use, faster, and more fun.
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https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/jobs/locations/united-states/sites/hillsboro.html

Into the Night said:
So next time I see a 'Made in Mexico' imprinted on an Intel chip I should ignore it, right?
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I have never seen any writing on a chip. Are you using an electron microscope to see this writing?
 
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