Two Words Explain California’s Wildfire Woes: Spotted Owl

[Hawkeye10]

Strange how tommy never posts about Thailand, wonder why

Have you tried asking?

 

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it's crazy to let brush accumulate in a forest. it's like adding kindling to a potential conflagration

CA is assbackwards

Indeed, remember how the usual suspects were laughing about "raking leaves". Now they've all gone to ground apart from Cypress. I actually posted an article from the California Globe but being the predictable pompous prick that we all know and love he totally ignored it.

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/two-words-explain-californias-wildfire-woes-spotted-owl/

 

[Cypress]

Strange how tommy never posts about Thailand, wonder why

^ He doesn't look or strike me as a passionate defender of forests and the environment.

If the thread author is so concerned about forest management, you would think he would direct his outrage towards the Thai government, given that Thailand is ground zero for deforestation and loss of woodlands.

 

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Indeed, remember how the usual suspects were laughing about "raking leaves". Now they've all gone to ground apart from Cypress. I actually posted an article from the California Globe but being the predictable pompous prick that we all know and love he totally ignored it.

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/two-words-explain-californias-wildfire-woes-spotted-owl/

Actually you stupid cunt there are severe penalties for illegal logging these days. I wouldn't expect a nasty soy boy like you to know that.

New forestry law has harsher penalties for encroachers and illegal loggers

Forest encroachers caught clearing land or burning trees, in any of Thailand’s national parks or gardens, in order to occupy the land, will soon face jail terms of up to 20 years and/or a fine of as much as two million baht under the new National Parks Act, which will come into effect 180 days after its publication in the Royal Gazette today.
If the encroachment is committed in A1 or A2 watershed areas, the offenders will face even stiffer penalties.
Anyone who causes damages to natural resources in national parks or botanical gardens, whether intentional or through carelessness, will be liable to pay compensation to the state.
Collection of forest flora and fauna in a way which damages natural resources, such as the soil or minerals in the national parks or gardens, may face imprisonment for up to five years and/or pay a fine of 500,000 baht.
If the forest products are seasonally renewable, and the total value of the items does not exceed 2,000 baht, the offenders may be fined up to 5,000 baht.
If more than 20 trees, or an amount exceeding four cubic metres is damaged, however, the culprits may face up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to two million baht.
The law also seeks to provide informants, who offer tips to authorities leading to the arrest of encroachers, with cash rewards of up to half the amount of fines imposed on the offenders.
People who make a living from collecting renewable flora and fauna may continue to do so, but they must register with the officials concerned and the amount to be harvested will be restricted.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/new-fo...enalties-for-encroachers-and-illegal-loggers/

 

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^ He doesn't look or strike me as a passionate defender of forests and the environment.

If the thread author is so concerned about forest management, you would think he would direct his outrage towards the Thai government, given that Thailand is ground zero for deforestation and loss of woodlands.

As usual you are employing the same old duck and dive tactics to avoid the unpleasant truth about Californicators who care more about owls than people. The worst aspect is how the fuckers then attempt to blame 'climate change' rather than address the real problem.

 

[Cypress]

As usual you are employing the same old duck and dive tactics to avoid the unpleasant truth about Californicators who care more about owls than people. The worst aspect is how the fuckers then attempt to blame 'climate change' rather than address the real problem.

So even though your country has one of the worst forest management practices in the country, you lack the courage to direct your sudden concern for forests towards your own government.

 

[dukkha]

As usual you are employing the same old duck and dive tactics to avoid the unpleasant truth about Californicators who care more about owls than people. The worst aspect is how the fuckers then attempt to blame 'climate change' rather than address the real problem.

it's a basic concept to keep undergrowth cleared in high risk forest fire areas

 

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So even though your country has one of the worst forest management practices in the country, you lack the courage to direct your sudden concern for forests towards your own government.

Anybody know what the fuck he's talking about?

 

[dukkha]

Anybody know what the fuck he's talking about?

it's called "defection"

 

[Bigdog]

Thailand has one of the worst deforestation rates in the world; far worse than in California.


If you are so keen on protecting forests, your work should start in the country you actually live in

https://rainforests.mongabay.com/deforestation_country.html

The U.S. has already destroyed 98% of our own Old Growth Forest.

 

[Bigdog]

So even though your country has one of the worst forest management practices in the country, you lack the courage to direct your sudden concern for forests towards your own government.

Fire is so natural that pine trees evolved to NEED it.

" Do pine trees need fire to reproduce?
Without fire, the seeds would likely never be released. "What's necessary for those cones to open up and release those seeds is the heat that's generated from a passing fire," Renkin says. "Once the fire burns through those resins that hold them together, the cone scales open up and the seeds fall out."Sep 14, 2008

Yellowstone Fires: Ecological Blessings In Disguise - NPRhttps://www.npr.org › 2008/09/14 › yellowstone-fires-eco...
What pine trees need fire reproduce?
Lodgepole pines, ubiquitous across much of the West, are one of the first species to grow after a fire because of their serotinous cones.

How Trees Survive and Thrive After A Firehttps://www.nationalforests.org › our-forests › how-tree..."

 

[Cypress]

Anybody know what the fuck he's talking about?

Extremely simple for any sentient life form to follow.

You are typing on a keyboard in a nation with one of the worst forest management practices on the planet, to complain about California forest management practices.

 

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it's a basic concept to keep undergrowth cleared in high risk forest fire areas

Indeed, but soy boys like Crypiss refuse pointblank to acknowledge that their past behaviour contributed to the devastating wildfires in California. Not the only reason of course, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he started a few fires himself.

 

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Extremely simple for any sentient life form to follow.

You are typing on a keyboard in a nation with one of the worst forest management practices on the planet, to complain about California forest management practices.

You're insane!! Allow me to quote some of your incoherent gibberish.

So even though your country has one of the worst forest management practices in the country

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Extremely simple for any sentient life form to follow.

You are typing on a keyboard in a nation with one of the worst forest management practices on the planet, to complain about California forest management practices.

Tommy knows if he criticizes the gov/king, the Thai royal police will pay him a visit

They monitor the internet there

 

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Extremely simple for any sentient life form to follow.

You are typing on a keyboard in a nation with one of the worst forest management practices on the planet, to complain about California forest management practices.

As usual you're talking out of your arse!!

Thailand takes a leap towards certified forests through PEFC endorsement

Thailand has achieved PEFC endorsement of its national forest certification system, allowing Thai forest managers to demonstrate their sustainable forest management practices in line with global standards and requirements.

This is a giant leap for forestry in Thailand,” said Mr. Sakchai Unjittikul, Chairman of Thailand Forest Certification Council (TFCC), our national member for Thailand.

The newly endorsed system will allow Thai forest owners and managers to demonstrate their sustainable forest management practices in line with global standards and requirements.

TFCC joined the PEFC alliance in November 2016 and applied for endorsement in April 2018.

Unlocking new opportunities
PEFC endorsement opens doors to international markets for certified products from Thailand.

“Our certified products can enter the international markets and add economic value to the value chain of forest products in Thailand, returning benefits to society and the environment,” said Mr. Withee Supithak, Vice Chairman of TFCC.

“We have benefited from the PEFC Alliance in many ways. Thanks to PEFC, the Thai standard is recognized internationally, while at the same time we are able to set up our standards in a way that is appropriate and applicable in Thailand,” he continued.

“We have many opportunities to share experiences with other national members of PEFC and always receive support from the PEFC family.”

https://pefc.org/news/thailand-takes-a-leap-towards-certified-forests-through-pefc-endorsement

 

[Jarod]

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It is virtually impossible to get this through to the Left, it's way beyond their understanding, especially the part about the wildfires being because of their own stupidity and ignorance. Of course being the moronic peasants that you are you''ll deny this simple truth but nobody is buying that bullshit anymore.

The owl became a cause célèbre for people who had never seen one and never would

By Kevin Nelson, October 13, 2022 10:41 am

Some things in life are hard to understand and explain. The theory of relativity, for example, or the origins of black holes. Other things are easy to grasp, however.

Such as: California’s wildfire woes. In the past five years summer and fall firestorms have killed dozens of people, wiped out homes, businesses and entire communities, torched millions of acres of forestlands, caused billions in property losses, and swept away untold numbers of animals and wildlife.

The cause of all this wreckage is easy to pinpoint. It’s simple as two words: spotted owl.

In the 1980s California was a superstar timber producer. Nearly 150 sawmills churned out four billion board feet of lumber every year, leading the nation. Working-stiff loggers had money in their pockets, their families thrived, and little lumber towns tucked away in the north woods boomed.

Enter the spotted owl. A night-flying denizen of the deep woods, the owl became a cause célèbre for people who had never seen one and never would. When the government moved to protect it as a threatened species, it ushered in an ugly slugfest pitting environmentalists, California state officials and the U.S. Forest Service against loggers and the timber industry.

The fight was over protecting the owl’s habitat. After lawsuits, protests and even violence, the environmentalists won.

And, in the process, delivered a death blow to an entire way of life. Sawmills shut down, loggers lost their jobs, and those little backwoods lumber towns went from boom to 1930s Depression-era bust.

“It was like turning off the spigot,” said Ryan Tompkins, a Plumas County forester and natural resources consultant quoted by writer Jane Braxton Little in the latest issue of Bay Nature Magazine.

Little’s excellent, deeply researched article focuses on the roughly 200,000 private owners of forest lands in California, totaling some nine million acres. The Forest Service controls the bulk of the forests in the state, with 19 million acres under its jurisdiction. Its management, or mismanagement, of these resources is a major reason why California and other western states where the USFS has a big footprint are in the mess they’re in.

From 1988 to 2011, Little writes that the number of wildfires in California “increased by seven large fires annually.” It is no coincidence that 1988 was the year the spotted owl received protection. Over the past five years the wildfire situation has grown even worse. Seven of the deadliest fires in state history have occurred in that period. The state’s annual fire season now extends from June or July into late fall.

The wildfires have gotten wilder too—bigger, deadlier, harder to contain and put out. Last year’s Dixie Fire laid waste to a million acres of land, earning the unhappy title of California’s biggest fire. And, as with all these major conflagrations, it spread smoke up and down the state, darkening skies and poisoning the air.

At the risk of over-simplification, the prevailing forest management wisdom in the post-spotted owl era has been: Don’t touch those trees. Leave ‘em where they be, for people coming up from the city to enjoy on the weekends. And sue and regulate the hell out of anyone who dares try to make a profit by harvesting them.

In the go-go days of the ‘80s the timber industry harvested two billion board feet of lumber a year on public lands. That figure has since fallen to 60 million board feet annually. The federal Northwest Forest Plan adopted in the mid-1990s reduced logging in national forests by 80 percent.

But now, the thinking in the smart set appears to be changing. “Sometimes,” a director of the environmental group Save the Redwoods League told Little, “the best approach requires using a chainsaw.” Along with controlled burns, selective thinning of drought-ridden trees and underbrush in California’s densely packed forests may be the best way out of this crisis. Less woodsy material means less material to burn, rendering the fires that do occur less potent.

That’s the hope anyhow, but there’s a catch. California’s once-mighty timber industry has become a shell of what it once was. Over half the sawmills from the old days are gone. So, too, are scores of industry-related support businesses. The ranks of professional foresters have been decimated, and the same holds true for the loggers—the men who actually wield those chainsaws.

Additionally, the knowledge base is almost extinct. Fewer people know how to do the things that generations of logging families once took for granted, and those who still retain these skills are often old-timers whose time is running out.

The irony here is that environmentalists, the state and the USFS are now in need of the very industry they have vilified and fought for so long. According to Dan Porter of the Nature Conservancy, the critical lack of timber industry infrastructure and know-how is “one of the biggest barriers to scaling ecological forest management.”

So let me be sure I have this right:

You identify a “problem” and then destroy a way of life as a means of solving that perceived problem. But then your “solution” creates an even bigger mess, one that causes you to go back to the very people whose communities and livelihoods you trashed, asking them to help you with your latest bright idea. But these small town Americans have themselves become an endangered species.

Meanwhile, has anyone seen a spotted owl lately?

Kevin Nelson is a writer and author. He has written for the San Francisco Chronicle, San Jose Mercury News, California Weekly and many other publications.

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/two-words-explain-californias-wildfire-woes-spotted-owl/

One of the most racist things I see is when someone claims that because one black person believes something, it must be true.

 

[Earl]

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It is virtually impossible to get this through to the Left, it's way beyond their understanding, especially the part about the wildfires being because of their own stupidity and ignorance. Of course being the moronic peasants that you are you''ll deny this simple truth but nobody is buying that bullshit anymore.

The owl became a cause célèbre for people who had never seen one and never would

By Kevin Nelson, October 13, 2022 10:41 am

Some things in life are hard to understand and explain. The theory of relativity, for example, or the origins of black holes. Other things are easy to grasp, however.

Such as: California’s wildfire woes. In the past five years summer and fall firestorms have killed dozens of people, wiped out homes, businesses and entire communities, torched millions of acres of forestlands, caused billions in property losses, and swept away untold numbers of animals and wildlife.

The cause of all this wreckage is easy to pinpoint. It’s simple as two words: spotted owl.

In the 1980s California was a superstar timber producer. Nearly 150 sawmills churned out four billion board feet of lumber every year, leading the nation. Working-stiff loggers had money in their pockets, their families thrived, and little lumber towns tucked away in the north woods boomed.

Enter the spotted owl. A night-flying denizen of the deep woods, the owl became a cause célèbre for people who had never seen one and never would. When the government moved to protect it as a threatened species, it ushered in an ugly slugfest pitting environmentalists, California state officials and the U.S. Forest Service against loggers and the timber industry.

The fight was over protecting the owl’s habitat. After lawsuits, protests and even violence, the environmentalists won.

And, in the process, delivered a death blow to an entire way of life. Sawmills shut down, loggers lost their jobs, and those little backwoods lumber towns went from boom to 1930s Depression-era bust.

“It was like turning off the spigot,” said Ryan Tompkins, a Plumas County forester and natural resources consultant quoted by writer Jane Braxton Little in the latest issue of Bay Nature Magazine.

Little’s excellent, deeply researched article focuses on the roughly 200,000 private owners of forest lands in California, totaling some nine million acres. The Forest Service controls the bulk of the forests in the state, with 19 million acres under its jurisdiction. Its management, or mismanagement, of these resources is a major reason why California and other western states where the USFS has a big footprint are in the mess they’re in.

From 1988 to 2011, Little writes that the number of wildfires in California “increased by seven large fires annually.” It is no coincidence that 1988 was the year the spotted owl received protection. Over the past five years the wildfire situation has grown even worse. Seven of the deadliest fires in state history have occurred in that period. The state’s annual fire season now extends from June or July into late fall.

The wildfires have gotten wilder too—bigger, deadlier, harder to contain and put out. Last year’s Dixie Fire laid waste to a million acres of land, earning the unhappy title of California’s biggest fire. And, as with all these major conflagrations, it spread smoke up and down the state, darkening skies and poisoning the air.

At the risk of over-simplification, the prevailing forest management wisdom in the post-spotted owl era has been: Don’t touch those trees. Leave ‘em where they be, for people coming up from the city to enjoy on the weekends. And sue and regulate the hell out of anyone who dares try to make a profit by harvesting them.

In the go-go days of the ‘80s the timber industry harvested two billion board feet of lumber a year on public lands. That figure has since fallen to 60 million board feet annually. The federal Northwest Forest Plan adopted in the mid-1990s reduced logging in national forests by 80 percent.

But now, the thinking in the smart set appears to be changing. “Sometimes,” a director of the environmental group Save the Redwoods League told Little, “the best approach requires using a chainsaw.” Along with controlled burns, selective thinning of drought-ridden trees and underbrush in California’s densely packed forests may be the best way out of this crisis. Less woodsy material means less material to burn, rendering the fires that do occur less potent.

That’s the hope anyhow, but there’s a catch. California’s once-mighty timber industry has become a shell of what it once was. Over half the sawmills from the old days are gone. So, too, are scores of industry-related support businesses. The ranks of professional foresters have been decimated, and the same holds true for the loggers—the men who actually wield those chainsaws.

Additionally, the knowledge base is almost extinct. Fewer people know how to do the things that generations of logging families once took for granted, and those who still retain these skills are often old-timers whose time is running out.

The irony here is that environmentalists, the state and the USFS are now in need of the very industry they have vilified and fought for so long. According to Dan Porter of the Nature Conservancy, the critical lack of timber industry infrastructure and know-how is “one of the biggest barriers to scaling ecological forest management.”

So let me be sure I have this right:

You identify a “problem” and then destroy a way of life as a means of solving that perceived problem. But then your “solution” creates an even bigger mess, one that causes you to go back to the very people whose communities and livelihoods you trashed, asking them to help you with your latest bright idea. But these small town Americans have themselves become an endangered species.

Meanwhile, has anyone seen a spotted owl lately?

Kevin Nelson is a writer and author. He has written for the San Francisco Chronicle, San Jose Mercury News, California Weekly and many other publications.

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/two-words-explain-californias-wildfire-woes-spotted-owl/

Indeed.

Great thread.

 

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One of the most racist things I see is when someone claims that because one black person believes something, it must be true.

What the fuck does that have to do with Spotted Owls, fool?