ACT test scores the lowest in over 30 years

Walt said:
For those of you who do not know, ACT is basically the SATs for Republicans. I am half joking... But that means I am half serious.
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Irrelevant even if it was true, but since you are Almost Never Right Walt it almost certainly is not true.
 
Walt said:
For those of you who do not know, ACT is basically the SATs for Republicans. I am half joking... But that means I am half serious.
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Funny but disagreed for the reasons noted in the link below. FWIW, I took the SAT. The main point, as you know, is to score high enough to be accepted into college. While "free college" is a Democrat agenda item, students still have to pass an entrance exam....unless the Democrats negate that too. LOL

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/act-vs-sat-how-to-decide-which-test-to-take
To help students make their decision, experts suggest they begin with a practice test and see which exam is best suited for them.

"Your actual ability, how well you do percentile-wise on these tests, is really hard to determine unless you sit down and take a full-length official practice test from both the SAT and ACT," says Chris Lele, senior GRE/SAT curriculum manager for Magoosh, a California-based test prep company. "I think in general it makes sense to put all of your time and resources into the test that you're going to do better on percentile-wise. I think the complication is when you do around the same."

The two exams may appeal to different types of students, says Jumamil. A key difference is that students with a strong English background "may flourish on the ACT," which puts more emphasis on verbal skills, she says, while for students who are strong in math, "the SAT may reflect that much better."

Elizabeth Levine, an independent educational consultant and founder of Signature College Counseling in New York, advises students to take both college admissions tests. Ideally, she says, they take both tests by the fall of their junior year and then prepare at length to retake their preferred exam.
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jakemax said:
Your mother sucks cock in the alley.
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0622 and you're still up from a night of binge-drinking, Jack? :rofl2:

Dude, pickling your liver is a fast way to death. Is that what you really want, son?

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Dutch Uncle said:
Funny but disagreed for the reasons noted in the link below. FWIW, I took the SAT. The main point, as you know, is to score high enough to be accepted into college. While "free college" is a Democrat agenda item, students still have to pass an entrance exam....unless the Democrats negate that too. LOL
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The real difference between SAT and ACT is geographical. People in different states tend to take different tests. SAT's are predominant in the Northeast, and West Coast, so I half jokingly call the ACT the Republican SAT's. ACT is more used in Republican areas. Thus falling ACT scores would reflect badly on Republicans, not Democrats.

SAT scores may have declined too, but that was not mentioned. Maybe they did not.

Neither are entrance exams. They are skills tests. They give another point of data in the admissions process. More importantly, they are nationally standardized. It is very difficult for an admissions department to compare grades from one school to another. Is a B+ from West Kansas High School really better than a B from North Jersey High School? Looking at standardized tests helps colleges to decide.
 
Walt said:
The real difference between SAT and ACT is geographical. People in different states tend to take different tests. SAT's are predominant in the Northeast, and West Coast, so I half jokingly call the ACT the Republican SAT's. ACT is more used in Republican areas. Thus falling ACT scores would reflect badly on Republicans, not Democrats.

SAT scores may have declined too, but that was not mentioned. Maybe they did not.

Neither are entrance exams. They are skills tests. They give another point of data in the admissions process. More importantly, they are nationally standardized. It is very difficult for an admissions department to compare grades from one school to another. Is a B+ from West Kansas High School really better than a B from North Jersey High School? Looking at standardized tests helps colleges to decide.
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Agreed on the necessity of standardized tests for college admissions.

I haven't researched the usage of the two tests by region. As the link noted, the ACT favors those with strong literary skills, while the SAT favors those with stronger math skills.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on the necessity of standardized tests for college admissions.

I haven't researched the usage of the two tests by region. As the link noted, the ACT favors those with strong literary skills, while the SAT favors those with stronger math skills.
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You are probably right, but it never even occurred to me to investigate which is better for a given skill set. With where I came from, and which schools I was applying to, SAT was the only choice.
 
Walt said:
You are probably right, but it never even occurred to me to investigate which is better for a given skill set. With where I came from, and which schools I was applying to, SAT was the only choice.
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Same here, but that was in 1970s Colorado.
 
Trumpet said:
He's not the only one.
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Agreed. In fact, he has a very limited range of rage. The most interesting Abbie Normals, IMO, are both intelligent and batshit crazy. Wild angry drunks like jakemax/Jack are pretty much One-Note ranters.
 
Walt said:
The real difference between SAT and ACT is geographical. People in different states tend to take different tests. SAT's are predominant in the Northeast, and West Coast, so I half jokingly call the ACT the Republican SAT's. ACT is more used in Republican areas. Thus falling ACT scores would reflect badly on Republicans, not Democrats.

SAT scores may have declined too, but that was not mentioned. Maybe they did not.

Neither are entrance exams. They are skills tests. They give another point of data in the admissions process. More importantly, they are nationally standardized. It is very difficult for an admissions department to compare grades from one school to another. Is a B+ from West Kansas High School really better than a B from North Jersey High School? Looking at standardized tests helps colleges to decide.
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Where do you stand on the argument that the ACT/SAT are biased/racist tests and should be eliminated to help schools increase equity?
 
cawacko said:
Where do you stand on the argument that the ACT/SAT are biased/racist tests and should be eliminated to help schools increase equity?
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Just because they are in English doesn't make them racist.

The main problem in the USA is that not all American students have equal access to quality HS education. Only 8% of school funding is Federal, the rest is state/county/city. Poor areas have poor schools, rich areas have better schools.
 
cawacko said:
Where do you stand on the argument that the ACT/SAT are biased/racist tests and should be eliminated to help schools increase equity?
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I see no point in eliminating standardized tests. Our society is clearly racist, we can still talk about Black schools and white schools and be 95% accurate. That means standardized tests will come up with racist results. But, everything else will come up with racist results.

The most important thing to Western higher education is diversity. Diversity not just of race, but of almost all forms of diversity. It is basis of Western education. That means tests should not be wholly counted on.
 
Walt said:
I see no point in eliminating standardized tests. Our society is clearly racist, we can still talk about Black schools and white schools and be 95% accurate. That means standardized tests will come up with racist results. But, everything else will come up with racist results.

The most important thing to Western higher education is diversity. Diversity not just of race, but of almost all forms of diversity. It is basis of Western education. That means tests should not be wholly counted on.
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That's definitely the Ibram Kendi and Ta-Nehisi Coates argument, any disparity in results is a result of racism. That also gets into a separate argument of why Asians, who have faced discrimination in this country, outscore everyone and are discriminated against in admissions. But they aren't who is being spoken of when equity is referenced.

The goal for those focused on equity is a different style of admissions standards that eliminates standardize testing and offers less emphasis on grades.
 
cawacko said:
That's definitely the Ibram Kendi and Ta-Nehisi Coates argument, any disparity in results is a result of racism.
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Worth stating I argued that there is racism causing disparity, not that any disparity is caused by racism. There is a subtle difference.

cawacko said:
That also gets into a separate argument of why Asians, who have faced discrimination in this country, outscore everyone and are discriminated against in admissions.
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Black immigrants from Africa do better than American whites. Immigrants generally do better than Americans.

cawacko said:
The goal for those focused on equity is a different style of admissions standards that eliminates standardize testing and offers less emphasis on grades.
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Shouldn't the goal be educating people? Grades might be a good tool to use to get to that goal, but when did they become the goal in themselves? If grades and tests are the goal, we can just give everyone straight A's and call it a day. No need to "waste" our time with education, if it is not a goal.
 
Walt said:
Worth stating I argued that there is racism causing disparity, not that any disparity is caused by racism. There is a subtle difference.



Black immigrants from Africa do better than American whites. Immigrants generally do better than Americans.



Shouldn't the goal be educating people? Grades might be a good tool to use to get to that goal, but when did they become the goal in themselves? If grades and tests are the goal, we can just give everyone straight A's and call it a day. No need to "waste" our time with education, if it is not a goal.
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The goal should be education but that's not what happens in the indoctrination centers.
 
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