So if Florida is the “State of Freedom,” as DeSantis propagandizes,

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are Floridians now looking to the Government to help them recover or are they still boasting “freedom,” and doing it without the Government? Does DeSantis now embark upon the big government he supposedly opposes to address the need?
 
archives said:
are Floridians now looking to the Government to help them recover or are they still boasting “freedom,” and doing it without the Government? Does DeSantis now embark upon the big government he supposedly opposes to address the need?
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It's interesting that Gavin Newsom calls California the Freedom State. Do Republicans and Democrats have different definitions of freedom and therefore its consistent for him to call California that while supporting big government?
 
cawacko said:
It's interesting that Gavin Newsom calls California the Freedom State. Do Republicans and Democrats have different definitions of freedom and therefore its consistent for him to call California that while supporting big government?
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Recreational Marijuana is legal in California.
Recreational Marijuana is illegal in Florida.
Abortion is openly accessible in California.
Abortion is strictly regulated in Florida.

Just two examples off the top of my head.
 
The issues of homosexuality and transexuality can be freely discussed in California schools.
The issues of homosexuality and transexuality are illegal to discuss in Florida schools,

Private organizations (Disney and the Tampa Bay Rays) are not free to share opinions on political issues in Florida.
Private organizations are not punished for sharing opinions on political issues in California.
 
Jarod said:
Recreational Marijuana is legal in California.
Recreational Marijuana is illegal in Florida.
Abortion is openly accessible in California.
Abortion is strictly regulated in Florida.

Just two examples off the top of my head.
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Ok, except that's not what's being discussed.
 
I'm choosing Florida over California every time and it appears that many agree... who would base where they live on the availability of marijuana, abortion, or the option to discuss transsexuality or homosexuality with young children in classrooms?
 
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cawacko said:
It's interesting that Gavin Newsom calls California the Freedom State. Do Republicans and Democrats have different definitions of freedom and therefore its consistent for him to call California that while supporting big government?
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Every one has a different definition of “freedom,” unfortunately, some even apply it like a bumper sticker cliche. As I’ve said, and as Locke implied with the social contract, freedom is based upon reason, not desire

Newsom and DeSantis are both politicians and rant accordingly
 
TOP said:
I'm choosing Florida over California every time and it appears that many agree... who would base where they live on the availability of marijuana, abortion, or the option to discusdtranssexuality or homosexuality with young children in classrooms?
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The question was not what state you would chose, it was what state is more free.
 
TOP said:
I'm choosing Florida over California every time and it appears that many agree... who would base where they live on the availability of marijuana, abortion, or the option to discusdtranssexuality or homosexuality with young children in classrooms?
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“every time?” Without going thru my usual feelings toward Florida, one State is interesting, has several iconic surroundings, the other, flat and boring as hell, guess which one is which
 
cawacko said:
It's interesting that Gavin Newsom calls California the Freedom State. Do Republicans and Democrats have different definitions of freedom and therefore its consistent for him to call California that while supporting big government?
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How do you define freedom? To me it’s the right to do as you chose.
 
archives said:
are Floridians now looking to the Government to help them recover or are they still boasting “freedom,” and doing it without the Government? Does DeSantis now embark upon the big government he supposedly opposes to address the need?
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He's an exponent of contemporary Right wing attitudes - a "philosophy" is beyond them - that government is there when you need it, to stomp on when you're feeling you don't.
 
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Jarod said:
The question was not what state you would chose, it was what state is more free.
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Some posters don’t realize that personal freedoms are a big deal and some states are slowly taking rights
away or refuse to allow certain rights. A recent poll showed half of American workers are willing to relocate to abortion friendly states.
 
Jarod said:
The question was not what state you would chose, it was what state is more free.
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No, that wasn't the question. Read what he wrote. He said if Florida claims it's a state of freedom then why are they relying on big government for help. (because it's the strawman argument that freedom = no government) Thus my response that Newsom, running ads in Florida, claims California is the Freedom State and does that mean we in California don't need/want big government? Or is freedom defined differently between right and left.

It's not about weed or abortion.
 
If you choose to live in a state because they allow abortion there I'm sad for you....
 
TOP said:
I'm choosing Florida over California every time and it appears that many agree... who would base where they live on the availability of marijuana, abortion, or the option to discuss transsexuality or homosexuality with young children in classrooms?
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It’s amazing to me how Trumppers scream FREEDOM, while supporting the criminalization of Marajuana and reproductive choices. They scream freedom, while their heroes punish private companies for expressing political opinions, they scream freedom while dictating what topics are allowed to be discussed in schools. They like freedom for their choices but not for others who make different choices. Freedom to fit the narrow path they believe is appropriate.
 
cawacko said:
No, that wasn't the question. Read what he wrote. He said if Florida claims it's a state of freedom then why are they relying on big government for help. (because it's the strawman argument that freedom = no government) Thus my response that Newsom, running ads in Florida, claims California is the Freedom State and does that mean we in California don't need/want big government? Or is freedom defined differently between right and left.

It's not about weed or abortion.
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Well, it depends on what you mean by big government. When the federal government comes in to help a state rebuild, that’s promoting freedom in my opinion. When a state tells an individual what products they can smoke, that is limiting freedom, in my opinion.
 
TOP said:
What good is "freedom" to do any of the mentioned things if you don't want to live there?
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You’ve just proven my point, you only want freedom for the things you want. Freedom requires people who live differently than you being allowed to do so.
 
Jarod said:
Well, it depends on what you mean by big government. When the federal government comes in to help a state rebuild, that’s promoting freedom in my opinion. When a state tells an individual what products they can smoke, that is limiting freedom, in my opinion.
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So DeSantis, and others in Florida, are supporting freedom by using the government to help with the hurricane?
 
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