Iran's Right to Exist -- Missing from Obama's warmongering

And I suspect that someday nothing will come of it.....again. I'm sorry for those of you who want to talk conspiracy and government involvement in 9/11 but I just can't. I somply do not believe that our government, no matter which party is in control, would be privy to such an atrocity on people of our own country. I know that makes me ostrich-like in your eyes but that is the way that I am. Everything I have read, watched & absorbed points to the events happening the way they were described in the reports that came about as the result of the investigations.

For the record I agreed with going into Afghanistan but not Iraq. Lorax & I had several discussions over the two fronts of war back then.
 
someday the whole thing will be reinvestigated

It has never been investigated in the US.

The 9/11 Commission was a dog and pony show and it rejected any information that did not fit the tale it was trying to spin.
They wanted to put fucking KISSINGER in charge of it.

Simple question: Why was all the physical evidence removed and destroyed by the Bush Administration?

One day, a real investigation will take place in the United States.
 
And I suspect that someday nothing will come of it.....again. I'm sorry for those of you who want to talk conspiracy and government involvement in 9/11 but I just can't. I somply do not believe that our government, no matter which party is in control, would be privy to such an atrocity on people of our own country. I know that makes me ostrich-like in your eyes but that is the way that I am. Everything I have read, watched & absorbed points to the events happening the way they were described in the reports that came about as the result of the investigations.

For the record I agreed with going into Afghanistan but not Iraq. Lorax & I had several discussions over the two fronts of war back then.

Your inability to see through this has nothing to do with facts my brother.

I intend no disrespect, but the fact that you agree with going into Afghanistan is a demonstration of your vulnerability to being led down a false path.
 
Your inability to see through this has nothing to do with facts my brother.

I intend no disrespect, but the fact that you agree with going into Afghanistan is a demonstration of your vulnerability to being led down a false path.

I suspected that would be your conclusion which is why I put that last paragraph in there.
 
I suspected that would be your conclusion which is why I put that last paragraph in there.

You are one of my favorite posters on the right my brother. SERIOUSLY, I mean no disrespect .. but people are dying as we speak my friend. Afghanistan is every bit the fraud that Iraq was. We don't even know what the fuck we're doing there .. no mission .. and everyday brings more bad news, more dead bodies, more and more US soldiers blown apart.

Is it not your RESPONSIBILTY and your DUTY to know the truth of wars you support?

ALL the information that leads to the truth is there and available.

Why do you think we are there doing the fighting essentially alone?

Read: Forbidden Truth: US - Taliban secret oil diplomacy and the failed hunt for Bin Laden
http://books.google.com/books?id=v4...resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Keep in mind that the rest of the world knew the truth of Iraq long before Americans finally figured it out.

They also know the truth of Afghanistan .. and 9/11.
 
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Its no wonder your brain functions like a bucket of puss...
Read: Forbidden Truth: US - Taliban secret oil diplomacy and the failed hunt for Bin Laden?
Is that a freekin' joke ?

Why not just read:
"The Incredible Truth About UFOs and Extraterrestrials"
or
"Calling on Extraterrestrials: 11 Steps to Inviting Your Own Ufo Encounters"

and get some real insight on the fantasy world you inhabit....
 
Its no wonder your brain functions like a bucket of puss...
Read: Forbidden Truth: US - Taliban secret oil diplomacy and the failed hunt for Bin Laden?
Is that a freekin' joke ?

Why not just read:
"The Incredible Truth About UFOs and Extraterrestrials"
or
"Calling on Extraterrestrials: 11 Steps to Inviting Your Own Ufo Encounters"

and get some real insight on the fantasy world you inhabit....

Thank you for that incredible insight .. backed by so much documentation that refutes what was said.

Oh wait .. you didn't provide any .. in fact, NONE of you "patriots" have provided any. Whatever the government .. the exact same "government" you knuckledraggers wail about day and night like pregnant sheep.. but whatever is told to you by that government should be believed.

I knew I could count on you brother to demonstrate exactly what I said to The Lawd.

OH God, please send me a right-winger with at least half a brain.

YOU don't have half ... and you just demonstrated that.

Thanks for playing

next
 
just out of curiosity, why does Bin Laden's statement taking credit for the attack not carry any weight with you?......

Good question.

A. Bin Laden was still a CIA operative right up to 9/11. The CIA produces his videos.

Or, let me put it another way .. which Bin Laden are you talking about?

A videotape purportedly showing Osama bin Laden confessing to the 9/11 attacks was made public on December 13, 2001: The tape bore a label indicating it was made on November 9. Administration officials wouldn't reveal exactly how or when they got it, except to say it was found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. [Online NewsHour]

"For those who see this tape, they'll realise that not only is he guilty of incredible murder, he has no conscience and no soul, that he represents the worst of civilisation," said President George W Bush. US Senator Ron Wyden, who has also seen the tape, says he hopes it will remove suspicions in countries such as Pakistan that the 11 September attacks were an Israeli plot aimed at drawing the US into a war with Islamic countries. [BBC News]

A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the video was inaccurate and "manipulative". Bin Laden even praised two live 'hijackers' - Wail M. Alshehri and Salem Alhazmi. Why didn't he know the names of hijackers he personally chose?

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Videos 1, 2 and 4 show the real bin Laden, video 3 shows the "lucky find" bin Laden.

As you look at the images, keep in mind that Bin Laden was sufferring from Renal dialysis -- talking about hemodialysis -- which is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down. The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that's happened, if you're separated from your dialysis machine -- and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they're going to require clean water, they're going to require a sterile setting -- infection is a huge risk with that. If you don't have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it's unlikely that you'd survive beyond several days or a week at the most.

In the first video Bin Laden's health is good .. deteriorates in the second .. looks healthy in the 3rd .. poor health again in the 4th.

Bin Laden ALWAYS talks about the Jews and the suffering of Muslims .. which he did in videos 1,2, and 4 .. not in 3.

Quite obviously, the man in video 3 .. the confession video .. is not Bin Laden

Bin Laden videos always appear when most needed by the Bush Administration.

ADDITIONALLY, this was not the first time the Bush Adminstration used video and Hollywood to manufacture a story.

The "rescue" of Jessica Lynch was Hollywood propaganda bullshit .. directed by Jerry Bruckheimer .. just ask Jessica Lynch.

The toppling of Saddam's statue was all made-up bullshit and filmed to give the impression of a large demonstration of happy Iraqis. WSe made that bullshit up and feed it to the American people. Unfortunately for them, they were too dumb to realize they had staged their fake event right in front of the International Hotel were foreign press was staying. They filmed the entire fake event from their windows .. AND IT WAS NEVER SHOWN TO THE SHEEP .. otherwise known as the American people.

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This war and everything about the "War on Terror" was sold to the American people .. and every bit of it was based on lies .. including Colin Powell's testimony before the UN.

This is why I don't believe that bullshit.
 
lol....I'm sorry, BOC, I hadn't realized you were "one of those"......

No problem .. however, I was hoping you were one of those .. you know, posters who have the intelligence to engage in debate.

Example .. instead of reaching for teenage drama queen quips, you could have produced evidence/documentation that refuted that Bin Laden never worked for the CIA. Of course I would have responded with a shit load of evidence that clearly demonstrates that not only did Bin Laden work for the CIA, but the US fully funded and supported his organization .. in fact, helped to create it.

I would have responded with the truth of US involvement in Afghanistan .. and I would have responded with names, dates, and locations.

Thus, even though your argument woiuld have been proven false, at least you would be respected debating like an adult. You know, just as I did when I challenged the lie that Bin Laden and the hijackers were banned form Saudi Arabia. I didn't just offer a stupid quip, I PROVED my point.

JUST AS I DID WHEN I RESPONDED TO YOUR QUESTION. Names, dates, and facts .. none of which any of you have demonstrated the ability to challnge.

NONE of you on the right has demonstrated that ability in this thread.

Stop being a pussy. If you have evidence that Bin Laden did not work for the CIA, and that the US did not support, fund, and help create the Muhajadeen .. which morphed into the Taliban, then produce it .. you're on a fucking computer.

This thread is a demonstrable demonstration of the lack of intelligence on the right. Look at that shit Bravo posts. He posts like a teen ager when mommy ain't home .. yet claims to be retired military.

Surely there must be at least ONE of you with a brain.
 
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Back to Iran ...

Iran’s Nuclear Program: Facts Americans Need to Know

The recent news that Iran is in the process of building a second uranium enrichment facility sent politicians and the press into a tizzy. Consequently, the American public is once again being barraged with half-truths and misstatements about Iran’s nuclear program.

In the spirit of public service, here are 10 basic facts about Iran’s nuclear energy program that Americans desperately need to know.

1. No one has presented any concrete evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. This has been asserted in every inspection report of Iran carried out by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and our own American National Intelligence Estimate.

2. Iranian officials have renounced nuclear weapons as un-Islamic and unnecessary for Iran’s defense. Iran has not launched a first strike against any nation for more than 300 years, and it will not attack Israel or any other nation. It will, however, defend itself.

3. Iran would have to build numerous facilities to process nuclear material before it could even think about producing a weapon.

4. The facility discovered last week in Qom is incomplete, non-operational and has not had any nuclear material introduced into it. It is designed, not as a weapons manufacturing plant, but as a mini-version of the enrichment facility at Natanz. It was probably intended as a back-up if Natanz were bombed.

5. The Iranians make a strong claim that they were not required to report the facility until 180 days before fissile material was introduced. It is simply not true that they are in unambiguous violation of their “international obligations,” as asserted by President Obama.

6. The United States knew about the Qom facility four years ago and chose not to reveal its knowledge. In fact, if the facility were illegal, the United States was obliged to reveal it. Either the facility was not illegal, or the United States is itself in violation of its treaty obligations.

7. The Qom facility was not “exposed” by the United States. It was revealed by a voluntary letter from Iran to the IAEA several days earlier than the American announcement.

8. If operational, the Qom plant would at best be able to produce enough raw fissile material to produce only one bomb per year. In order for such a bomb to be built, the enriched uranium would still have to be sent through numerous non-existent processing facilities before emerging as a weapon. By contrast, Israel, Pakistan and India all have large stockpiles of nuclear warheads ready to launch.

9. Iran actually needs nuclear energy to generate electricity, as it asserts. Currently, Iran uses natural gas for its electricity generation. As Iran’s crude oil supplies dwindle, that gas is needed to “re-inject” the oil fields to increase oil production. It is also more profitable for Iran to sell the remaining gas abroad in liquid form than to use it to generate electric power.

10. Iran will not give up nuclear enrichment under pressure. The nuclear energy program was started nearly 40 years ago under U.S. ally Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iranians of all ages and all economic classes take pride in the development of nuclear energy as proof of Iran’s scientific and engineering prowess. They see efforts to curtail this as attempts by the West to suppress their progress. Whoever is elected president in Iran in the future will enthusiastically support the nuclear program.


So, why have our national leaders misled the public about this program? One reason is that Iran has become the universal bogeyman for American politicians. No one has ever lost a vote by attacking Iran and many have been attacked for seeming to be “soft” on Iran. Moreover, Israel and its supporters have successfully promulgated the equation that to be less than hostile to Iran is to be anti-Israel or even anti-Semitic. Neoconservatives in the Bush administration also had plans for regime change in Iran dating back to the early 1990’s, and portraying Iran as a nuclear menace would build public support for an attack on the Islamic Republic.

Americans may think that an Iranian nuclear weapons program exists because of the clever rhetoric used by Iran’s detractors—even Obama. Phrases like, “We must prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon,” or “If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, the world is in danger,” are weasel phrases designed to mislead the public. The same tricks were used to convince the public that Iraq was behind the 9-11 attacks on New York and Washington.

One thing is certain. If the American public does not wake up and realize that it is being deceived on Iran, either Israel or the United States or both could attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, Iran would retaliate, and the world conflagration would truly begin.
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=45da4133e732d2bcc5e9f8a83e1a0e6e

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“The premise of an Iranian threat is made up out of whole cloth.”

This was the money quote.

Good post, BAC.


Diaper-pooping americans seem to need to have a visceral need for a bogey man. Whether it's the Red-scare in the 50s, Qaddafi in the 80s, or Saddam more recently.

I don't know why a lot of americans are like frightened school children, imagining monsters under their bed. Maybe it has something to do with fueling and justifying the military industrial complex and our global military posture.


Iran has never attacked us, Iran has never invaded another nation, and Iran has zero capacity to do the United States any substantial harm.

Is it prudent to try to diplomatically strong-arm them into full compliance with the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty? No doubt.


But, I didn't fall for the mushroom cloud fear mongering of Bush and his enablers in both parties. And I sure ain't falling for it now.
 
This was the money quote.

Good post, BAC.


Diaper-pooping americans seem to need to have a visceral need for a bogey man. Whether it's the Red-scare in the 50s, Qaddafi in the 80s, or Saddam more recently.

I don't know why a lot of americans are like frightened school children, imagining monsters under their bed. Maybe it has something to do with fueling and justifying the military industrial complex and our global military posture.


Iran has never attacked us, Iran has never invaded another nation, and Iran has zero capacity to do the United States any substantial harm.

Is it prudent to try to diplomatically strong-arm them into full compliance with the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty? No doubt.


But, I didn't fall for the mushroom cloud fear mongering of Bush and his enablers in both parties. And I sure ain't falling for it now.

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