Reminder: Roman Polanski raped a child

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http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/

"Roman Polanski raped a child. Let's just start right there, because that's the detail that tends to get neglected when we start discussing whether it was fair for the bail-jumping director to be arrested at age 76, after 32 years in "exile" (which in this case means owning multiple homes in Europe, continuing to work as a director, marrying and fathering two children, even winning an Oscar, but never -- poor baby -- being able to return to the U.S.). Let's keep in mind that Roman Polanski gave a 13-year-old girl a Quaalude and champagne, then raped her,"


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" let's take a moment to recall that according to the victim's grand jury testimony, Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, "No," then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm."
 
"what of the now-45-year-old victim, who received a settlement from Polanski in a civil case, saying she'd like to see the charges dropped? Shouldn't we be honoring her wishes above all else?

In a word, no. At least, not entirely. I happen to believe we should honor her desire not to be the subject of a media circus, which is why I haven't named her here, even though she chose to make her identity public long ago. But as for dropping the charges, Fecke said it quite well: "I understand the victim's feelings on this. And I sympathize, I do. But for good or ill, the justice system doesn't work on behalf of victims; it works on behalf of justice."
 
Grind said:
"what of the now-45-year-old victim, who received a settlement from Polanski in a civil case, saying she'd like to see the charges dropped? Shouldn't we be honoring her wishes above all else?

In a word, no. At least, not entirely. I happen to believe we should honor her desire not to be the subject of a media circus, which is why I haven't named her here, even though she chose to make her identity public long ago. But as for dropping the charges, Fecke said it quite well: "I understand the victim's feelings on this. And I sympathize, I do. But for good or ill, the justice system doesn't work on behalf of victims; it works on behalf of justice."
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I posted this article on Damo's thread yesterday.... do try to keep up. You owe me 4325 rep points for your error. Plus or minus is up to you :)
 
He needs to go to prison for the rest of his miserable life. Not one of us here would think that a guy that raped a child in our family should be able to escape justice, no matter how long ago the crime happened. More likely than not the 45 year old has put this behind her and does not want to rip open old wounds. Who would blame her. But on the day this happened to her, she was raped by a pederast at best and a pedophile at worst. Roman Polanski is every bit as guilty as any priest that raped a child 4 decades ago.
 
Grind said:
"what of the now-45-year-old victim, who received a settlement from Polanski in a civil case, saying she'd like to see the charges dropped? Shouldn't we be honoring her wishes above all else?

In a word, no. At least, not entirely. I happen to believe we should honor her desire not to be the subject of a media circus, which is why I haven't named her here, even though she chose to make her identity public long ago. But as for dropping the charges, Fecke said it quite well: "I understand the victim's feelings on this. And I sympathize, I do. But for good or ill, the justice system doesn't work on behalf of victims; it works on behalf of justice."
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I think it is why a lot of rape doesn't get reported.
 
Socrtease said:
He needs to go to prison for the rest of his miserable life. Not one of us here would think that a guy that raped a child in our family should be able to escape justice, no matter how long ago the crime happened. More likely than not the 45 year old has put this behind her and does not want to rip open old wounds. Who would blame her. But on the day this happened to her, she was raped by a pederast at best and a pedophile at worst. Roman Polanski is every bit as guilty as any priest that raped a child 4 decades ago.
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I just feel badly for the victim, she is a victim all over, again. Polanski is scum.
 
froggie said:
I just feel badly for the victim, she is a victim all over, again. Polanski is scum.
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It is worthwhile pointing out that he was accused of rape by the so called child's mother and that the girl herself said that it was consensual sex. One question that doesn't ever seem to get asked is why the mother wasn't there as a chaperone if she was so concerned about her welfare.

[SIZE=+1]A 90-Day Psychiatric Study for Roman Polanski[/SIZE]​
Originally published in The Washington Post, September 20, 1977
Movie director Roman Polanski, who had pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl, yesterday was ordered imprisoned for a 90-day psychiatric study to help the judge decide his sentence.
Polanski had contracted to photograph the girl for a French fashion magazine. Prosecutors said he took her to the home of actor Jack Nicholson while Nicholson was away, fed her champagne and Quaaludes, then committed numerous sex acts with her.
The probation report indicated that she consented. The judge said it made no difference.
The technical effect of the judge's decision will be for Polanski to spend some time in prison without having the record of a prison sentence against him unless he is eventually placed behind bars under a formal sentence.
Among the problems Polanski faces is possible deportation. However, the law provides automatic deportation only for those convicted of crimes of moral turpitude who are sentenced to one year or more in prison.
 
froggie said:
I just feel badly for the victim, she is a victim all over, again. Polanski is scum.
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If he has entered a guilty plea, and if it still stands at this time, would she be required to testify, to be exposed at all? I feel for her too; certainly if something like that had happened to me I would utterly refuse to participate in bringing it all back again.
 
Thorn said:
If he has entered a guilty plea, and if it still stands at this time, would she be required to testify, to be exposed at all? I feel for her too; certainly if something like that had happened to me I would utterly refuse to participate in bringing it all back again.
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There won't be a trial, he's already convicted.
 
Thorn said:
That's what I thought. So the victim is now haunted by the press bringing all this mess up again. Just extradite him, bring him back and throw his nasty arrogant ass in jail.
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I feel just awful for her...her family, everyone who must relive this with her. Polanski can just rot. I feel so bad for her and all the questions and the coverage and people fighting over this. People don't understand the desperate need to move on in these matters!
 
tom prendergast said:
It is worthwhile pointing out that he was accused of rape by the so called child's mother and that the girl herself said that it was consensual sex. One question that doesn't ever seem to get asked is why the mother wasn't there as a chaperone if she was so concerned about her welfare.

[SIZE=+1]A 90-Day Psychiatric Study for Roman Polanski[/SIZE]​
Originally published in The Washington Post, September 20, 1977
Movie director Roman Polanski, who had pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl, yesterday was ordered imprisoned for a 90-day psychiatric study to help the judge decide his sentence.
Polanski had contracted to photograph the girl for a French fashion magazine. Prosecutors said he took her to the home of actor Jack Nicholson while Nicholson was away, fed her champagne and Quaaludes, then committed numerous sex acts with her.
The probation report indicated that she consented. The judge said it made no difference.
The technical effect of the judge's decision will be for Polanski to spend some time in prison without having the record of a prison sentence against him unless he is eventually placed behind bars under a formal sentence.
Among the problems Polanski faces is possible deportation. However, the law provides automatic deportation only for those convicted of crimes of moral turpitude who are sentenced to one year or more in prison.
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With the girl testifying on his behalf I don't think this case is going to get very far. There's practically no evidence besides her testimony.
 
Grind said:
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/

"Roman Polanski raped a child. Let's just start right there, because that's the detail that tends to get neglected when we start discussing whether it was fair for the bail-jumping director to be arrested at age 76, after 32 years in "exile" (which in this case means owning multiple homes in Europe, continuing to work as a director, marrying and fathering two children, even winning an Oscar, but never -- poor baby -- being able to return to the U.S.). Let's keep in mind that Roman Polanski gave a 13-year-old girl a Quaalude and champagne, then raped her,"
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This is nothing but rabble rousing yellow journalism.
 
Watermark said:
With the girl testifying on his behalf I don't think this case is going to get very far. There's practically no evidence besides her testimony.
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Apparently they had cut a deal in 1997 but something obviously went wrong.

[SIZE=+1]Deal Will End Roman Holiday for Polanski[/SIZE]​
By Michelle Caruso in Los Angeles and Helen Kennedy in New York
Originally published in the Daily News (New York), October 1, 1997
Twenty years after he fled to Europe to escape punishment for raping a 13-year-old girl, fugitive director Roman Polanski will surrender in Los Angeles, sources confirmed yesterday.
Under a deal worked out in two secret meetings between the judge and Polanski's lawyer, the 63-year-old director won't serve any time in jail, sources said.
Samantha Geimer, who lives in Hawaii with her husband and three sons, went public in March to say she forgave Polanski for drugging her and raping her when she was a starstruck kid. She told London's Mail on Sunday that he should be pardoned. It was not immediately clear when Polanski, director of "Chinatown," "Rosemary's Baby," and "Frantic" might return to Los Angeles.
Since he left Hollywood, his once-bright career has dimmed. He hasn't had a hit since 1979's "Tess," which was shot in France instead of England because he feared being extradited by the British.
The Polish director, whose mother died in a Nazi concentration camp, has had a life as violent as his movies. His 8-months pregnant wife, actress Sharon Tate, was murdered by the Manson cult in 1969.
Polanski fled to Paris after being indicted in 1977 on six counts of drugging, raping and sodomizing Geimer, whom he lured to Jack Nicholson's empty house.
Polanski told the girl he wanted to photograph her for Vogue, but instead gave her Quaaludes and champagne and took her to bed. He maintained she was a Lolita who knew all about sex and drugs.
Facing up to 50 years in prison if convicted at trial, Polanski pleaded guilty to one count of statutory rape. The other five counts were dismissed.
Polanski spent 90 days under psychiatric observation. But just before sentencing, facing a possible 50 years in jail, he jumped bail.
The original judge on the case, Superior Court Judge Laurence Rittenband, died several years ago and the case was reassigned to Superior Court Judge Larry Fidler.
In December, Polanski's lawyer, Douglas Dalton, 69, began meeting with Fidler and Deputy District Attorney Roger Gunson.
But under the law, the judge has final say on penalties.
 
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