Biden seeks to motivate voters from all parties against ‘Maga Republicans destroying

Yakuda said:
I'm going to try and talk to you like an adult. What "vulnerable" freedoms of mine do you think democratic candidates in the midterms are looking to protect? You're suggesting that democrats are the party of freedom and democracy?
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as they know, running on the administration's record is a recipe for failure so they have no choice but to try any fool thing they can to create smoke and mirrors.

since its really 2024 that Biden's owners cares about they are focused on eliminating Trump thinking that they have a better chance of avoiding prison time with anyone else.
 
Althea said:
We can only hope. Arguing against historical norms w/respect to midterms suddenly became feasible with this SC decision. trump's illegal Census made it a very different House election this year.

Hopefully, there will be momentum up until November.

The Lincoln Project is just getting started ;)
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The LP are not our friends, but I do appreciate any cut they make on the GOP.

This abortion decision is being downplayed by the press, but I really think it's going to throw the midterms for a loop.
 
Althea said:
My personal opinion is that you should have the right to terminate a pregnancy. My personal opinion is also that doing so in late term just because you procrastinated is cruel.
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But you wouldn't know that reason...and who procrastinates getting an abortion? Who has ever done that?

I don't really know of any woman who has ever said "you know, I've been pregnant for 8 1/2 months, but I feel like I'm done with it and I'm just gonna abort the fetus now"?
 
Althea said:
It's a scientific thing, not a religious/emotional thing.
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I mean, we're talking about women's control over their own bodies, so I think it is very much emotional.

The science is that abortion is a medical procedure; when that abortion can occur is wholly dependent on feelings and not science.

Because science says an abortion can occur really at any time during the pregnancy, even a day before the fetus is due to be delivered.

So I'm a little confused when you talk about the science, because as I understand it, the science of abortions is that they can be done at any time in the pregnancy.
 
Althea said:
Yup. Although, making a statement in a solid Red/Blue state is easy. You can vote for Mickey Mouse and know that your state will still come out the same.

If you live in a swing state and opt to make a statement, or refuse to vote,then you are part of the problem.

I have a message board friend who lived in California and always voted third party. He moved to Pa, and openly admits that he lost that privilege.
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Ok, but if enough people do that, then it will have an effect on the results of the election.

If all the people who didn't vote or voted 3P because of lame excuses had voted for Clinton, she would have won in a landslide and Roe would still be law.

So I don't appreciate when certain people say their vote doesn't matter, because it feels like abrogating responsibility and accountability for your actions.

Look at how hysterical Flash is getting over it, he is wincing at the argument that his vote was wasted, saying it doesn't matter.

Well, if you don't think it matters, what are you even doing on JPP??? Why are you even voting? Why not just sit at home and not participate since you think the whole thing is a joke?

I don't have patience for people like that...just scorn.
 
Celticguy said:
as they know, running on the administration's record is a recipe for failure so they have no choice but to try any fool thing they can to create smoke and mirrors.
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Joe Biden has created more jobs in 2 years than Trump, Bush the Dumber, and Bush the Elder created COMBINED in 16 years.
 
Celticguy said:
since its really 2024 that Biden's owners cares about they are focused on eliminating Trump thinking that they have a better chance of avoiding prison time with anyone else.
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Prison time?

Biden didn't steal documents, Trump did.

And he stole them because he is trying to sell them since he's fuckin' broke.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
letting people go back to work at the jobs they had before covid is not "creating jobs".....
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Except that all those business owners got PPP money to keep people on payroll, but laid them off anyway.

And not every state locked down. Half didn't lockdown for more than a few weeks.

You lost 30M jobs and the 2020 election because you told everyone COVID was a hoax.
 
LV426 said:
The LP are not our friends, but I do appreciate any cut they make on the GOP.

This abortion decision is being downplayed by the press, but I really think it's going to throw the midterms for a loop.
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The LP consists of some of the slimiest Republican strategists in existence. That's how bad trump was. I love watching them bash trump the way they typically bash Liberals.
 
LV426 said:
But you wouldn't know that reason...and who procrastinates getting an abortion? Who has ever done that?

I don't really know of any woman who has ever said "you know, I've been pregnant for 8 1/2 months, but I feel like I'm done with it and I'm just gonna abort the fetus now"?
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Well then that's a circumstance that would warrant it. Baby with severe deformity typically. Also something that is typically detected much earlier.

But even at 4 months, it's cruel. I'm all for making it easier to detect pregnancy very early, and making it easy to terminate within weeks as opposed to jumping through hoops for months.

As some states have been making women suffer through for a long time.
 
LV426 said:
I mean, we're talking about women's control over their own bodies, so I think it is very much emotional.

The science is that abortion is a medical procedure; when that abortion can occur is wholly dependent on feelings and not science.

Because science says an abortion can occur really at any time during the pregnancy, even a day before the fetus is due to be delivered.

So I'm a little confused when you talk about the science, because as I understand it, the science of abortions is that they can be done at any time in the pregnancy.
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Science shows that at a certain month, the fetus will feel everything during an abortion. It's cruel. Especially when there is no need to wait that long in many cases.
 
LV426 said:
Ok, but if enough people do that, then it will have an effect on the results of the election.

If all the people who didn't vote or voted 3P because of lame excuses had voted for Clinton, she would have won in a landslide and Roe would still be law.
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In key states for sure. I met a woman from Pa. who was commenting about something trump was pushing in his first year. I forget the issue, but it might have been abortion. I asked if she voted, and she said 'No. I don't vote'.

I hope the millions who had that attitude in swing states weren't the ones in the streets protesting trump's win.

I believe many learned a lesson, but many will still vote third party. As is their right. They didn't learn with Nader in 2000, who is the biggest liar/hypocrite out there.
 
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BidenPresident said:
While midterms are generally viewed as a referendum on the sitting president and his party, Biden and other Democratic leaders have instead sought to reframe the upcoming elections as a test of American democracy itself. Democrats believe that, if Americans view the elections as a choice between extremists threatening their fundamental rights and candidates seeking to protect those vulnerable freedoms, then the party may be able to maintain their congressional majorities. In Democrats’ view, a historic election calls for a history-defying result.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ate-voters-maga-republicans-midterm-elections
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and it's a losing strategy!
We all see which side threatens freedom more.

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Althea said:
Well then that's a circumstance that would warrant it. Baby with severe deformity typically. Also something that is typically detected much earlier.
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OK, but you're making it sound like there are some women who will go through 8 months of a pregnancy and then just decide on a whim to have an abortion. Is that realistic?


But even at 4 months, it's cruel. I'm all for making it easier to detect pregnancy very early, and making it easy to terminate within weeks as opposed to jumping through hoops for months.
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Or, alternatively, none of it is anyone's business and everyone should mind their own.

I don't understand this fascination people have with being moral arbiters of choices other people are making that don't affect you at all.

Why is it anyone's business but the woman's? If a woman requests an abortion at 8.99 months, how is it your business to determine whether or not they are worthy of getting an abortion?
 
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