A University doesn't have to recognize black, err, LGBT student group

Dutch Uncle said:
I disagree. :)

It's their religion. Remember when the RWNJs whined that allowing gay marriage would force churches to marry gays? Note the irony of forcing a religious institution to accept something against their religion. LOL

Better to use incentives. Enforce the religious tax codes...which go largely unenforced because of the fucking Evangelistas.

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious-organizations
Tax Information for Churches and Religious Organizations

https://www.firstcitizens.com/comme...uide-for-churches-and-religious-organizations
What are the qualifications for tax-exempt status?
According to the IRS, five main requirements must be met for a house of worship to qualify for 501(c)(3) status, which labels it as a kind of charity.

  • The organization must operate exclusively for religious, scientific, educational or charitable purposes
  • The net earnings of the organization may not provide an advantage to a shareholder or private individuals
  • The organization can't devote a substantial part of its activity to influencing legislation
  • The organization can't intervene in political campaigns
  • Any activities or purposes by the organization must be legal and in line with public policy
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Besides it's a university, not a house of worship.
 
AProudLefty said:
Besides it's a university, not a house of worship.
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A private university and one specifically known for its religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshiva_University
Yeshiva University is a private Orthodox Jewish research university with four campuses in New York City.

Is it really a surprise they are Jewish and adhere to Jewish beliefs? Or that they require the same of their students?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
A private university and one specifically known for its religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshiva_University
Yeshiva University is a private Orthodox Jewish research university with four campuses in New York City.

Is it really a surprise they are Jewish and adhere to Jewish beliefs? Or that they require the same of their students?
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Do they have to be practicing Jews?

The Jews are already in the minority and there aren't many Jewish Universities.
 
AProudLefty said:


Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor agreed Friday night to temporarily block a lower court order that required Yeshiva University to recognize a “Pride Alliance” LGBTQ student club.

The order from Sotomayor – who has jurisdiction over the lower court in the case – suggested that the full Supreme Court is still considering the issue and will issue a more permanent order at a later time.

For now, the university is temporarily shielded from having to recognize the group.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/politics/yeshiva-university-supreme-court-sotomayor/index.html

I get that it's a private University which is probably like a private school. However, the Jews are in the minority, the LGBT Jews even more so. And how many Jewish Universities are there in the USA? It ironically doesn't want to recognize certain Jewish groups. The Holocaust ring any bell?
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Her decision is following the laws of our nation


It’s a temporary decision
 
AProudLefty said:
Well Jews not wanting to associate with certain Jews because of who they are is the irony.
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Nobody is required to join, participate, or associate with others from that student organization.

We would have to know more about the rules for an organization to be recognized by the school.
 
Flash said:
Nobody is required to join, participate, or associate with others from that student organization.
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Well yes of course.

We would have to know more about the rules for an organization to be recognized by the school.
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Not finding the rules yet but here's what they said:

"The Office of Student Life provides leadership training, programming support, guidance, and referrals to all student leaders. To better represent the diverse student body, the Student Government and numerous clubs offer programs and events indicative of the vast interests of the students."

https://www.yu.edu/student-life/student-organizations
 
Dutch Uncle said:
A private university and one specifically known for its religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshiva_University
Yeshiva University is a private Orthodox Jewish research university with four campuses in New York City.

Is it really a surprise they are Jewish and adhere to Jewish beliefs? Or that they require the same of their students?
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Within the Orthodox community there is a fierce debate on the issue , things are changing within the community
 
guno said:
Within the Orthodox community there is a fierce debate on the issue , things are changing within the community
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Their choice. A choice they should be free to make for themselves, not forced into it by the Federal or State government due to their First Amendment rights.

Specifically Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Association.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Their choice. A choice they should be free to make for themselves, not forced into it by the Federal or State government due to their First Amendment rights.

Specifically Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Association.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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How does this club violate their First Amendment right? I've been looking for their rules.

Here's the link: https://www.yu.edu/student-life/student-organizations
 
AProudLefty said:
How does this club violate their First Amendment right? I've been looking for their rules.

Here's the link: https://www.yu.edu/student-life/student-organizations
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They are trying to force a religious university to recognize something against their religion.

As Guno mentioned, and as many Christian denominations have already done, times are changing. It's good to suggest, even protest, but it's wrong to force people to change their beliefs. That's exactly what the fucking Nazis, the Republicans and other authoritarians do. LOL
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They are trying to force a religious university to recognize something against their religion.

As Guno mentioned, and as many Christian denominations have already done, times are changing. It's good to suggest, even protest, but it's wrong to force people to change their beliefs. That's exactly what the fucking Nazis, the Republicans and other authoritarians do. LOL
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Yeah. I just thought about that. YU doesn't want to recognize the club against their religion. The LGBT students still have rights there. A solution would be just to form the club off-campus until this is resolved or it changes.
 
AProudLefty said:
Yeah. I just thought about that. YU doesn't want to recognize the club against their religion. The LGBT students still have rights there. A solution would be just to form the club off-campus until this is resolved or it changes.
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Not sure if those rights include forcing a religious university to do something against their religion.

Although not exclusively so per their website, University of Notre Dame is the top Catholic university in the US. They recognize all faiths and it's not a requirement to be Catholic to do there. However, they do require a minimum of two theology classes to graduate.

Under the suggestions that seem to be in this thread, a group of Pedo Nazis could use the force of law to make UND accept their Christian Nationalism and pedo Nazi beliefs. Not comparing their beliefs to others, but simply pointing out how Law and forcing religious universities to accept everyone is, IMO, paving the road to Hell with good intentions...not to mention violating the spirit, if not the letter, of the Constitution.


https://admissions.nd.edu/why-nd/spiritual-identity/
No genuine search for the truth is alien to the life of faith. As part of Notre Dame's mission, these words guide our academic and spiritual lives.

Our Catholic faith not only informs our pursuit of truth, it is part of everything we do on campus. That’s why community service isn’t just a hallmark of Notre Dame. It’s a way of life. Service to others is how we live out our faith. Notre Dame students bring a concern for those in need, a commitment to helping, and a desire to give more than take, to everything they do. So, whatever your passion, you’ll find a way to put it to use for the greater good.
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https://corecurriculum.nd.edu/pre-fall-2018/rationales/theology/
Faithful to its mission as a Catholic academic community of higher learning, the University of Notre Dame requires all undergraduates to take two courses in theology. As the mission statement of the university indicates, it is vital that Notre Dame’s Catholic identity be nourished neither solely through the general pursuit for truth, nor solely by fostering the life of prayer, liturgy, and service, but in particular that Notre Dame foster in its students an appreciation for the science of theology....

...The first required course, Foundations of Theology (Theology 10001/20001), introduces students to theology as a discipline through an introduction to the Bible and Christian literature of the post-biblical centuries...

...The second required course (Theology 20xxx) takes up a major theme or set of themes in the Christian theological tradition; subjects the theme(s) to systematic inquiry; develops the theme(s) historically, with attention to the full sweep of Christian history...
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Dutch Uncle said:
Not sure if those rights include forcing a religious university to do something against their religion.
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That's not what I meant. Clearly the LGBT students are welcome there. I am just stating they can form the club off-campus and nobody would complain.
 
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