Tesla Model 3 named winner in KBB’s 5-Year Cost to Own Awards 2022. MAGA wets panties

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-wins-kbb-5-year-cost-to-own-awards/

Tesla Model 3 named as one of the winners in KBB’s 5-Year Cost to Own Awards for 2022


The Tesla Model 3 was recently deemed by Kelley Blue Book as one of the winners in its 5-Year Cost to Own Awards for 2022. KBB’s 5-Year Cost to Own Award explores the costs associated with the ownership of a vehicle. This includes the vehicle’s price, maintenance costs, fuel or charging rates, any state tax, and registration fees, as well as a car’s depreciation over a 5-year ownership period, among others.

As per the automotive research company, the 2022 Tesla Model 3 leads the “Electric Luxury Vehicle” segment with a 5-year cost to own of $48,233. According to Kelley Blue Book, the Model 3’s 5-year cost to own is $16,411 less than the segment average. This is quite impressive, especially considering that the Model 3 is Tesla’s entry-level vehicle today.

The fact that the Model 3 was dubbed by KBB as one of the winners in its 2022 5-Year Cost to Own Awards is quite unsurprising, especially if one were to consider that electric vehicles like Teslas do not need as much maintenance as their internal combustion engine-powered counterparts. And being part of Tesla’s ecosystem, the Model 3 enjoys a number of perks that some of its rivals in the “Electric Luxury Vehicle” segment do not enjoy as well, such as Supercharging rates, which are extremely convenient and affordable

You know?
If you had not included the 'MAGA wet panties' part?
I would have left it alone.

Not that I give a shit about MAGA or Trump.
But you turned a simple statement into a trolling post.


Obviously EV's have lower maintenance costs.
That is why GM crushed all the EV1's they could get their hands on (way back when).
Because EV's damage their dealer network profits on parts and service.
And they did not want the masses to get used to them.


But trying to troll MAGA's with it?
And then you throw in that nonsense about 'they are just jealous'?
Just childish.


I love EV's (and I love V8's).
But trolling people is no way to promote a product.
 
Heh. I'd love to see one of those EV babies run go off road mudding!

EVs have the best instant torque, which makes better off roading possible. When that potential becomes possible is a open question...

But then again, you believe insulation is not physically possible.
 
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-wins-kbb-5-year-cost-to-own-awards/

Tesla Model 3 named as one of the winners in KBB’s 5-Year Cost to Own Awards for 2022


The Tesla Model 3 was recently deemed by Kelley Blue Book as one of the winners in its 5-Year Cost to Own Awards for 2022. KBB’s 5-Year Cost to Own Award explores the costs associated with the ownership of a vehicle. This includes the vehicle’s price, maintenance costs, fuel or charging rates, any state tax, and registration fees, as well as a car’s depreciation over a 5-year ownership period, among others.

As per the automotive research company, the 2022 Tesla Model 3 leads the “Electric Luxury Vehicle” segment with a 5-year cost to own of $48,233. According to Kelley Blue Book, the Model 3’s 5-year cost to own is $16,411 less than the segment average. This is quite impressive, especially considering that the Model 3 is Tesla’s entry-level vehicle today.

The fact that the Model 3 was dubbed by KBB as one of the winners in its 2022 5-Year Cost to Own Awards is quite unsurprising, especially if one were to consider that electric vehicles like Teslas do not need as much maintenance as their internal combustion engine-powered counterparts. And being part of Tesla’s ecosystem, the Model 3 enjoys a number of perks that some of its rivals in the “Electric Luxury Vehicle” segment do not enjoy as well, such as Supercharging rates, which are extremely convenient and affordable

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More disinformation from the fascists.

Hey, if they swallowed Trump's Big Lies, they'd swallow any right wing bullshit they read about EVs.
They can bitch and lie about EVs all they want. I'll just sit back and watch more EVs roll off the assembly line and watch EV sales and my Tesla stock skyrocket.

Haw... Haw.............haw
 
Such an interesting dynamic here when discussing EV's and separating the vehicles themselves from their makers. Tesla's are hugely popular in the Bay Area. You see them all over the place. Yet there was another article in the SF Chronicle this week about Tesla and their supposed racism. Now because people claim Tesla has allowed a racist environment to foster at their workplace doesn't necessarily make it true. But for the sake of discussion if it is true, is it possible to separate the good of EV's from the bad of the people making them? (Tesla isn't the only maker of EV's of course but clearly it's the leader.)



Tesla says it doesn’t have a race problem. Hundreds of complaints from workers say otherwise

After two tumultuous years, things at Tesla’s Fremont assembly plant were just starting to get back to normal in 2022. The company’s co-founder and CEO, Elon Musk, was no longer under fire for trying to restart plant operations during a countrywide shutdown, the government was a little more relaxed about letting workers return to the workplace and COVID vaccines were more or less freely available to workers.

The Fremont plant is as important to Tesla as it is to California — it is one of the last remaining bastions of what was once California’s thriving automotive hub. Rising costs have pushed automakers to build plants in Mexico, leaving U.S. manufacturing in a lurch. But Tesla has (more or less) remained firm on its commitment to California, its place of birth.

However, there was trouble in paradise once again in February, when the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing, now known as the Department of Civil Rights, filed a lawsuit against Tesla. The agency said that it had collected “hundreds of complaints” going as far back as 2012 and that it also had evidence of segregation against Black workers.

Tesla issued a statement alleging that the agency’s claims were baseless and that it had previously never found any misconduct against the company. The automaker claimed that the agency had not given it time to respond to accusations of racism.

“A narrative spun by the DFEH and a handful of plaintiff firms to generate publicity is not factual proof,” the automaker said in its statement in February.

Not surprisingly, Tesla took its dissent to the lawsuit a step further, when it filed a petition with California’s Office of Administrative Law in June to pause the lawsuit to settle claims outside the court. Tesla’s petition was denied on Aug. 8, and a judge issued a tentative ruling on Wednesday to deny Tesla’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit. This means Tesla will have to fight the case in court. The company could face billions in damages if the accusations are proven correct.

While Tesla continues to stay exasperated about grave accusations of racist misdemeanor and harassment, this isn’t exactly the first time the company has faced public scrutiny for alleged racial misconduct by its employees. A search of all tweets mentioning “tesla” and “racism” from January 2021 to August yielded thousands of hits, with over 1,300 tweets including both terms in October 2021 alone. While not all of the tweets may be discussing racism at Tesla, the spike does coincide with the outcome of a racial discrimination lawsuit filed by Owen Diaz, an elevator operator who worked as a contract employee at Tesla in 2015 and 2016.


In the lawsuit, Diaz alleged that colleagues subjected him to racial harassment and bias, including calling him racial slurs and drawing swastikas. A jury awarded him $137 million in October in punitive and compensatory damages, but that amount was lowered to $15 million by a U.S. district judge in San Francisco in April. Diaz has since rejected the lowered amount and is awaiting another trial.

Since the Diaz and the state lawsuits, more Black employees have accused Tesla of discriminatory practices. Black workers who formerly worked at the Fremont plant told the Los Angeles Times in March that “Tesla segregated Black workers into separate areas, gave them the hardest tasks and routinely denied them promotions.” The former employees further alleged that some co-workers repeatedly used racial slurs against them.

As for Tesla’s CEO and self-described “Technoking” Musk, accusations of insensitivity around issues faced by minority workers abound. In 2017, the Tesla co-founder wrote an email to employees that to some critics suggested the CEO wanted workers to forgive racist abuse from their colleagues. In 2020, Musk faced strong criticism after announcing Juneteenth as a holiday for Tesla employees but only if they used paid time off. He was also called out that same year for mocking transgender inclusion, infamously tweeting that “pronouns suck.”

With this behavior emanating from the top, repeated allegations of racism and discrimination in other, less public-facing, parts of the company — like the Fremont plant — seem less surprising.

Tesla has been called out multiple times for its apathy toward minority factory workers, but it has repeatedly denied all accusations and claimed that it has responded and investigated all complaints. Yet, the same types of complaints against the company keep coming up. According to the Department of Civil Rights lawsuit, Black workers have “routinely heard” Tesla supervisors at the Fremont plant using racial slurs and some workers were even confronted with racist graffiti. These complaints echo similar claims made by Diaz in his case and other former employees in other lawsuits.

In May and June this year, Tesla laid off the president of the company’s LGBTQIA+ community and a leader in the carmaker’s diversity and inclusiveness activities. The layoffs came on the heels of Musk’s claim that the “woke mind virus” will destroy civilization.

Musk’s comment seems to track with his overall lack of interest in workplace diversity. A search of the founder’s tweets, found no mention of the word “diversity” since Musk, an active user of Twitter, joined the platform nearly 13 years ago. A similar search of Tesla’s Twitter account found that the company has also never tweeted on the subject.

Tesla has made its discomfort with the state’s accusations clear and in the past even threatened to leave California if things go south as the “last remaining automobile manufacturer in California.” But whether Tesla is comfortable with it or not, this sole representative of automakers in the Golden State does have an issue with diversity. Tesla released its first diversity report in 2020, which revealed that about 10% of its U.S. workforce was Black, 21% was Asian American and 22% was Latino — making it a “majority minority” overall. However, 83% of employees in leadership roles at Tesla are men and 59% of the leadership is white. Black employees constitute just 4% of the leadership at the company.

At a time when Tesla should be focusing on boosting its Black workforce — particularly within its leadership — the company is instead busy coming up with arguments to defend the status quo. Tesla’s claim to diversity only seems to pop up when there’s a court case.

Instead of fighting fires everywhere, maybe it’s time the company admits that it has an issue with racism. Owning up will make life easier for current workers, install more guardrails to protect racially diverse employees and reduce the possibility of more court cases. But so far, Tesla seems more ready to fight than acknowledge.

Ankita Mukhopadhyay is a full-time media product manager and part-time freelance journalist, based in South San Francisco.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion...s-it-doesn-t-have-a-race-problem-17401619.php
 
I can currently take EVs (if you include electric trains) from London to Hong Kong with more ease than a ICE. Texas has lagged on electrifying rails, to its own cost. Europeans are shocked how much more it is to ship by train in the USA.

There is no electric train from London to Hong Kong.
 
You know?
If you had not included the 'MAGA wet panties' part?
I would have left it alone.

Not that I give a shit about MAGA or Trump.
But you turned a simple statement into a trolling post.
Really pretty irrelevant.
Obviously EV's have lower maintenance costs.
No. They don't.

Tires still cost the same.
Caring for the body still costs the same.
Brake jobs actually cost more, since you have to deal with the regenerative circuit, and exposure to battery current and increased fire risk in a brake shop while doing so.
Software can be expensive, in the form of forced downloads that limit functionality (which Tesla has been caught doing).
Battery replacement is EXPENSIVE. Far more expensive than replacing the entire engine on a gasoline car.
Special handling of batteries is required, due to fire risk.
Oil and coolant changes do cost a bit less, since EV's don't need to change the oil or coolant as often.

Now let's look at the fun side:
Charging an EV can be done at home. It is recommended you pay an electrician a few thousand dollars to wire up the special circuit required for charging in a reasonable rate of time. However, there is a significantly increased risk of fire damage to your home from the car itself.

While rocks and other road debris can damage brake lines, fuel lines, exhaust systems, etc. These are minor compared to rock and road debris causing damage to battery packs (which are mounted under the car) which may easily result in a fire that destroys the car (and any unfortunate to be parked around it while charging).

That is why GM crushed all the EV1's they could get their hands on (way back when).
Because EV's damage their dealer network profits on parts and service.
No. It was because the EV1 had a whopping range of 100 miles on a charge, handled poorly, and cost $80,000 (at that time!) to make. The Toyota Prius buried the EV1.
And they did not want the masses to get used to them.
But trying to troll MAGA's with it?
And then you throw in that nonsense about 'they are just jealous'?
They are simply describing themselves.
Just childish.
Inversion fallacies are childish. Like the little child that plays the game of mimic, the inversion being done here is basically just the same.
I love EV's (and I love V8's).
But trolling people is no way to promote a product.
Agreed. If you like EV's, fine. There is no EV on the market that fulfills the mission I have for any of my cars. People buy (or lease) cars for a reason (a mission), whether to commute to a city job or to haul tools and equipment to a job site to semi-trucks used to haul pretty much anything cross country to farming and ranching equipment to racing or mudding, to most any purpose.

The EV is basically a commuter car. Cross country travel with them is impractical, they can't tow anything (or if they do, it's not much or very far), they can't work all day (and in some cases all night too!), and use difficult to obtain materials in their manufacture (which will only get far more expensive to obtain if and when the EV becomes a 'mainstream' car). Charging them requires a power supply, often provided by burning fuel. In the EU, electric power is failing. It is also happening to the SDTC. Brownouts and rolling blackouts are becoming mass blackouts. These places have dismantled their electrical grid in the name of 'green energy'.

In the SDTC, a law was passed recently banning gasoline cars by 2035 (actually dictated by King Newsom). It ain't gonna work. People are already fleeing the SDTC. There will be no place to reliably charge the EV there.
Probably time to get a horse and learn to ride and care for it if you live in the EU or the SDTC.
 
EVs have the best instant torque, which makes better off roading possible.
Not what makes off roading possible. It's obvious you've never driven off road.
When that potential becomes possible is a open question...
If you want to try to drive your Tesla through swamps and mud pits, over boulders, or try to climb insanely steep hills and sand dunes with it, go right ahead. It's your wallet.
But then again, you believe insulation is not physically possible.
Word stuffing. I never said this.
 
Obviously EV's have lower maintenance costs.
That is why GM crushed all the EV1's they could get their hands on (way back when).
Because EV's damage their dealer network profits on parts and service.
And they did not want the masses to get used to them.

This is wrong. EV's have higher maintenance costs. They are more complex and difficult to troubleshoot due in large part to the complexity of their electronics and the use of a heavy and difficult to access battery. For most EV's you can toss in that their quality is so pathetically bad, that they spend more time in the shop due to their just being a shitty quality product.

As for GM's EV 1, that was just another bad decision by then CEO Rick Wagoner who admitted later it was one of his worst decisions--out of a lot of bad decisions. The decision was based more on a desire by Wagoner to continue ICE production and saw the EV 1 as a freak product with no particular relevance to GM's product line in general.
 

A Tesla Model 3 has NO tow capability at all. You can't even tow an EMPTY small utility trailer (such as you might buy from Lowes). It over grosses the car.
There is also no frame to attach towing equipment. The battery and motors are in the way.

Van trailers, car trailers, dump trailers, or RV trailers are out of the question for most EVs. The electric F150 can haul them, but that's an insanely expensive truck, and it won't haul them very far, particularly when loaded.
 
Hey, if they swallowed Trump's Big Lies, they'd swallow any right wing bullshit they read about EVs.
They can bitch and lie about EVs all they want. I'll just sit back and watch more EVs roll off the assembly line and watch EV sales and my Tesla stock skyrocket.

Haw... Haw.............haw

Go look at the road, dumbass. See what people are buying and driving.
 
I can currently take EVs (if you include electric trains) from London to Hong Kong with more ease than a ICE. Texas has lagged on electrifying rails, to its own cost. Europeans are shocked how much more it is to ship by train in the USA.

If you don't include electric trains, you can't drive an EV from London to Hong Kong at all. But you can drive an ICE vehicle between those two cities...

Find the charging station as your battery goes flat...

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Such an interesting dynamic here when discussing EV's and separating the vehicles themselves from their makers. Tesla's are hugely popular in the Bay Area. You see them all over the place. Yet there was another article in the SF Chronicle this week about Tesla and their supposed racism. Now because people claim Tesla has allowed a racist environment to foster at their workplace doesn't necessarily make it true. But for the sake of discussion if it is true, is it possible to separate the good of EV's from the bad of the people making them? (Tesla isn't the only maker of EV's of course but clearly it's the leader.)



Tesla says it doesn’t have a race problem. Hundreds of complaints from workers say otherwise

After two tumultuous years, things at Tesla’s Fremont assembly plant were just starting to get back to normal in 2022. The company’s co-founder and CEO, Elon Musk, was no longer under fire for trying to restart plant operations during a countrywide shutdown, the government was a little more relaxed about letting workers return to the workplace and COVID vaccines were more or less freely available to workers.

The Fremont plant is as important to Tesla as it is to California — it is one of the last remaining bastions of what was once California’s thriving automotive hub. Rising costs have pushed automakers to build plants in Mexico, leaving U.S. manufacturing in a lurch. But Tesla has (more or less) remained firm on its commitment to California, its place of birth.

However, there was trouble in paradise once again in February, when the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing, now known as the Department of Civil Rights, filed a lawsuit against Tesla. The agency said that it had collected “hundreds of complaints” going as far back as 2012 and that it also had evidence of segregation against Black workers.

Tesla issued a statement alleging that the agency’s claims were baseless and that it had previously never found any misconduct against the company. The automaker claimed that the agency had not given it time to respond to accusations of racism.

“A narrative spun by the DFEH and a handful of plaintiff firms to generate publicity is not factual proof,” the automaker said in its statement in February.

Not surprisingly, Tesla took its dissent to the lawsuit a step further, when it filed a petition with California’s Office of Administrative Law in June to pause the lawsuit to settle claims outside the court. Tesla’s petition was denied on Aug. 8, and a judge issued a tentative ruling on Wednesday to deny Tesla’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit. This means Tesla will have to fight the case in court. The company could face billions in damages if the accusations are proven correct.

While Tesla continues to stay exasperated about grave accusations of racist misdemeanor and harassment, this isn’t exactly the first time the company has faced public scrutiny for alleged racial misconduct by its employees. A search of all tweets mentioning “tesla” and “racism” from January 2021 to August yielded thousands of hits, with over 1,300 tweets including both terms in October 2021 alone. While not all of the tweets may be discussing racism at Tesla, the spike does coincide with the outcome of a racial discrimination lawsuit filed by Owen Diaz, an elevator operator who worked as a contract employee at Tesla in 2015 and 2016.


In the lawsuit, Diaz alleged that colleagues subjected him to racial harassment and bias, including calling him racial slurs and drawing swastikas. A jury awarded him $137 million in October in punitive and compensatory damages, but that amount was lowered to $15 million by a U.S. district judge in San Francisco in April. Diaz has since rejected the lowered amount and is awaiting another trial.

Since the Diaz and the state lawsuits, more Black employees have accused Tesla of discriminatory practices. Black workers who formerly worked at the Fremont plant told the Los Angeles Times in March that “Tesla segregated Black workers into separate areas, gave them the hardest tasks and routinely denied them promotions.” The former employees further alleged that some co-workers repeatedly used racial slurs against them.

As for Tesla’s CEO and self-described “Technoking” Musk, accusations of insensitivity around issues faced by minority workers abound. In 2017, the Tesla co-founder wrote an email to employees that to some critics suggested the CEO wanted workers to forgive racist abuse from their colleagues. In 2020, Musk faced strong criticism after announcing Juneteenth as a holiday for Tesla employees but only if they used paid time off. He was also called out that same year for mocking transgender inclusion, infamously tweeting that “pronouns suck.”

With this behavior emanating from the top, repeated allegations of racism and discrimination in other, less public-facing, parts of the company — like the Fremont plant — seem less surprising.

Tesla has been called out multiple times for its apathy toward minority factory workers, but it has repeatedly denied all accusations and claimed that it has responded and investigated all complaints. Yet, the same types of complaints against the company keep coming up. According to the Department of Civil Rights lawsuit, Black workers have “routinely heard” Tesla supervisors at the Fremont plant using racial slurs and some workers were even confronted with racist graffiti. These complaints echo similar claims made by Diaz in his case and other former employees in other lawsuits.

In May and June this year, Tesla laid off the president of the company’s LGBTQIA+ community and a leader in the carmaker’s diversity and inclusiveness activities. The layoffs came on the heels of Musk’s claim that the “woke mind virus” will destroy civilization.

Musk’s comment seems to track with his overall lack of interest in workplace diversity. A search of the founder’s tweets, found no mention of the word “diversity” since Musk, an active user of Twitter, joined the platform nearly 13 years ago. A similar search of Tesla’s Twitter account found that the company has also never tweeted on the subject.

Tesla has made its discomfort with the state’s accusations clear and in the past even threatened to leave California if things go south as the “last remaining automobile manufacturer in California.” But whether Tesla is comfortable with it or not, this sole representative of automakers in the Golden State does have an issue with diversity. Tesla released its first diversity report in 2020, which revealed that about 10% of its U.S. workforce was Black, 21% was Asian American and 22% was Latino — making it a “majority minority” overall. However, 83% of employees in leadership roles at Tesla are men and 59% of the leadership is white. Black employees constitute just 4% of the leadership at the company.

At a time when Tesla should be focusing on boosting its Black workforce — particularly within its leadership — the company is instead busy coming up with arguments to defend the status quo. Tesla’s claim to diversity only seems to pop up when there’s a court case.

Instead of fighting fires everywhere, maybe it’s time the company admits that it has an issue with racism. Owning up will make life easier for current workers, install more guardrails to protect racially diverse employees and reduce the possibility of more court cases. But so far, Tesla seems more ready to fight than acknowledge.

Ankita Mukhopadhyay is a full-time media product manager and part-time freelance journalist, based in South San Francisco.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion...s-it-doesn-t-have-a-race-problem-17401619.php

Your racism is the problem here. No, you can't get away with projecting YOUR problem on Elon Musk or anybody else.
 
EVs have the best instant torque, which makes better off roading possible. When that potential becomes possible is a open question...

But then again, you believe insulation is not physically possible.
Here is 4 trucks in direct side by side comparison.

 
If you don't include electric trains, you can't drive an EV from London to Hong Kong at all. But you can drive an ICE vehicle between those two cities...

Find the charging station as your battery goes flat...

5b23afff15e9f96fe6738e67.jpg


They drove a Ford Lightning to north of the Arctic circle. What a pain in the ass.

 
I have a number of complaints about EV's but the biggest is the control they have over you, Tesla being the most obvious. Pay attention to the new "smart meters" the local utilities are installing in large cities. Once you are lucky enough to have one of those, the state will no longer have the need to tell you not to charge your vehicle, they can dole out as much or as little as they see fit and if my memory serves me correctly, many electric motors do not run well on reduced voltage and damaging household motors that are designed to run on 120 or 240 volts can be frustrating and expensive.
 
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