Time to reconsider the Alec Baldwin shooting. Was it deliberate?

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Everyone seems to think he neglected to check the gun and accidentally shot halyna. That argument might work if she was an actress in the movie and the script called for her to be shot. But halyna was THE DIRECTOR!!! There was no reason for baldwin to point the gun at her and pull the trigger.
 
she was filming where he was pointing a gun. its not unusual to have the director observing the camera angle.

its negligence but his inability to accept any responsibility is equal parts disturbing, disgusting, pathetic and cowardly.

this really should end his career in entertainment.
 
she was filming where he was pointing a gun. its not unusual to have the director observing the camera angle.

its negligence but his inability to accept any responsibility is equal parts disturbing, disgusting, pathetic and cowardly.

this really should end his career in entertainment.

poor baby, baldwin a mean old lib
 
Everyone seems to think he neglected to check the gun and accidentally shot halyna. That argument might work if she was an actress in the movie and the script called for her to be shot. But halyna was THE DIRECTOR!!! There was no reason for baldwin to point the gun at her and pull the trigger.

False!
 
Look at it this way. Suppose it wasn't someone with Hollywood cred, just some shmo who carried water on the set. Baldwin asks him to grab a prop and bring it to him. The guy picks up the gun out of whatever box it was stored in, points it at Baldwin and makes the same joke that Baldwin did, then pulls the trigger and hits Baldwin and kills him.

Is there anyone here who thinks that shmo wouldn't be rotting in jail right now?

One set of rules for them, and other for the rest of us.
 
Everyone seems to think he neglected to check the gun and accidentally shot halyna. That argument might work if she was an actress in the movie and the script called for her to be shot. But halyna was THE DIRECTOR!!! There was no reason for baldwin to point the gun at her and pull the trigger.

I think you should execute him. Not for the gun accident but for making fun of your orange king on SNL. You are such a baby - it was humor!
 
she was filming where he was pointing a gun. its not unusual to have the director observing the camera angle.

its negligence but his inability to accept any responsibility is equal parts disturbing, disgusting, pathetic and cowardly.

this really should end his career in entertainment.

You just want revenge for Alec making fun of your sweetheart, twump.

Grow up!
 
poor baby, baldwin a mean old lib

It's all about revenge with these guys. Gun accidents happen every day, usually parents leaving their guns out for their kids to find and then Johnny blows Bobby's little head off.

We need to get rid of the guns.
 
Look at it this way. Suppose it wasn't someone with Hollywood cred, just some shmo who carried water on the set. Baldwin asks him to grab a prop and bring it to him. The guy picks up the gun out of whatever box it was stored in, points it at Baldwin and makes the same joke that Baldwin did, then pulls the trigger and hits Baldwin and kills him.

Is there anyone here who thinks that shmo wouldn't be rotting in jail right now?

One set of rules for them, and other for the rest of us.

Gun accidents happen every day. You just want revenge because Alec was mean to your fat, orange guy, dick weed.
 
Gun accidents happen every day. You just want revenge because Alec was mean to your fat, orange guy, dick weed.

Even if it was an accident, baldwin is still guilty of manslaughter. But it may not have been an accident. There is no reason for baldwin to point the gun at the director.
 
That's BS. There is no need for anyone to point a gun and pull the trigger at the director!!! THINK

um... they're making a movie that seems to involve some gun confrontations.

Remember the scene in any Ditry Harry movie where the camera is pointed at Clint Eastwood holding his .357 magnum at the punk and giving a Clint Eastwood line about feeling lucky ? Guess what, the camera was the thing that gun was pointed at and behind the camera was the camera operator and at one point or another the cinematographer and since its the money shot, the director.

The issue is that any time you intend to pick up a firearm and use it be it to shoot a punk or pretend shoot a scene in a movie, you do not fail to check if the weapon is loaded or not FIRST and you dont aim much less pull the trigger unless you know your target and whats beyond your target and in the case of blanks, know if the rounds in your gun are blanks or not.

BAldwin did none of the above and somebody dies. Its not murder 1 (so far as we know) but it IS a crime.

Book um Danno
 
There have been nearly 2 million gun deaths in America during the last 30 years, and one gun death in a Hollywood production. Even one gun death is too many, but 2 million is way, way too many. For the most part, Hollywood productions have an excellent record with guns, that are not matched by regular gun owners. In other words, no one cares what regular gun owners want to lecture Hollywood on gun safety. Hollywood has a good system, and should keep applying it.

That means that in a Hollywood production, the person handling the gun is not responsible for the gun. It is the armorer's responsibility to make sure all guns are safe. It actually is dangerous for actors to mess with guns by checking them. Actors are supposed to act, and the armorer is supposed to take care of gun safety.

It is completely reasonable for a cinematographer and director to be looking down a camera at a gun pointed at them. It happens often in Hollywood productions.

The armorer did a terrible job. She allowed loaded guns to be confused with unloaded guns. She had loaded guns on a set that was supposed to have no loaded guns. The revolver in question was not properly maintained, which would not have mattered if there were never any ammo put in it, but there clearly was. She was apparently passing the time by shooting the prop guns at cans, and did not care enough to make sure the bullets were all accounted for.

All evidence points to some level of negligence. That is as far as you can get from deliberate. Given the lack of responsibility by Baldwin, it will be hard to get him on any crime. Murder cannot happen without intent. You might be able to get negligent manslaughter against the armorer... But that is a stretch.

Then there is the civil suit. Clearly the armorer is negligent, but there also seems to be a culture of not caring about safety on the set. Baldwin could easily be sucked into that, and even more easily the non fatally injured director Joel Souza. This is a workplace accident, not a murder.
 
There have been nearly 2 million gun deaths in America during the last 30 years, and one gun death in a Hollywood production. Even one gun death is too many, but 2 million is way, way too many. For the most part, Hollywood productions have an excellent record with guns, that are not matched by regular gun owners. In other words, no one cares what regular gun owners want to lecture Hollywood on gun safety. Hollywood has a good system, and should keep applying it.

That means that in a Hollywood production, the person handling the gun is not responsible for the gun. It is the armorer's responsibility to make sure all guns are safe. It actually is dangerous for actors to mess with guns by checking them. Actors are supposed to act, and the armorer is supposed to take care of gun safety.

It is completely reasonable for a cinematographer and director to be looking down a camera at a gun pointed at them. It happens often in Hollywood productions.

The armorer did a terrible job. She allowed loaded guns to be confused with unloaded guns. She had loaded guns on a set that was supposed to have no loaded guns. The revolver in question was not properly maintained, which would not have mattered if there were never any ammo put in it, but there clearly was. She was apparently passing the time by shooting the prop guns at cans, and did not care enough to make sure the bullets were all accounted for.

All evidence points to some level of negligence. That is as far as you can get from deliberate. Given the lack of responsibility by Baldwin, it will be hard to get him on any crime. Murder cannot happen without intent. You might be able to get negligent manslaughter against the armorer... But that is a stretch.

Then there is the civil suit. Clearly the armorer is negligent, but there also seems to be a culture of not caring about safety on the set. Baldwin could easily be sucked into that, and even more easily the non fatally injured director Joel Souza. This is a workplace accident, not a murder.

Offering guns for suicide is a God Damn public service....I only care about the homicides.
 
Offering guns for suicide is a God Damn public service....I only care about the homicides.

Most suicides are mistakes. A momentary thought that disappears after a few moments. Then there are the various types of accidents. This is one of the accidents, but so are the accidental self defenses, where people are killed that never presented a real danger.

It is tough not to look at Hollywood's one gun death in 30 years, and not think that is what the rest of America should strive for.
 
Most suicides are mistakes. A momentary thought that disappears after a few moments. Then there are the various types of accidents. This is one of the accidents, but so are the accidental self defenses, where people are killed that never presented a real danger.

It is tough not to look at Hollywood's one gun death in 30 years, and not think that is what the rest of America should strive for.

I am not taking "gun death" numbers because it is not honest.....I will take homicide numbers.

The Revolution cant have both "Suicide is perfectly fine" and "Suicide is so terrible that we must stomp on the Constitution".

Pick 1.
 
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