The truth regarding EV car batteries

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This machine is required to move 500 tons of earth/ ore which will be refined into one lithium car battery. It burns 900-1000 gallons of fuel in a 12 hour shift.
Lithium is refined from ore using sulfuric acid. The proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass is estimated to require up to 75 semi loads of sulfuric acid a day! The acid does not turn into unicorn food like AOC believes.

A battery in an electric car, lets say an average Tesla, is made of 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic, etc...... averaging 750-1,000 pounds
of minerals, that had to be mined and processed into a battery that merely stores electricity..... Electricity which is generated by oil, gas, coal, nuclear, or water (and a tiny fraction of wind and solar)....

That is the truth, about the lie, of "green" energy.

There’s nothing green about the Green New Deal. You people better learn how to vote or this nonsense will continue to flow down on top of you from the throne of government you put these people on.

 

[LurchAddams]

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This machine is required to move 500 tons of earth/ ore which will be refined into one lithium car battery. It burns 900-1000 gallons of fuel in a 12 hour shift.
Lithium is refined from ore using sulfuric acid. The proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass is estimated to require up to 75 semi loads of sulfuric acid a day! The acid does not turn into unicorn food like AOC believes.

A battery in an electric car, lets say an average Tesla, is made of 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic, etc...... averaging 750-1,000 pounds
of minerals, that had to be mined and processed into a battery that merely stores electricity..... Electricity which is generated by oil, gas, coal, nuclear, or water (and a tiny fraction of wind and solar)....

That is the truth, about the lie, of "green" energy.

There’s nothing green about the Green New Deal. You people better learn how to vote or this nonsense will continue to flow down on top of you from the throne of government you put these people on.

I would bet you that the gross weight of all the world's cell-phone batteries outweigh the entire inventory of car EV batteries by millions if not billions of tons.

You ready to give up your phone? How about most computers? Your kid's toys? LOL.

Nice try twumptard.

 

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Cobalt is just one, albeit a very important one, of the elements required to make an EV battery.


Electric vehicles overtake phones as top source of cobalt demand

Rare metal’s price surges on supply concerns and proliferation of battery-powered cars

The automotive industry consumed 59,000 tonnes of cobalt in 2021, or 34 per cent of total demand, as sales of electric and hybrid vehicles doubled, according to a report by the Cobalt Institute.

That outstripped the 26,000 tonnes of metal used in mobile phone manufacturing and 16,000 tonnes in laptops and tablets. Total demand for cobalt was 175,000 tonnes against mined supply of 160,000 tonnes.

The mismatch in those figures highlights one of the biggest challenges facing the automotive industry as it goes electric: securing enough raw material. As more electric vehicles are rolled out, concerns are mounting about potential supply crunches for crucial battery metals from cobalt to lithium and nickel. Demand from the car industry is expected to account for half of the cobalt demand by 2026.

Cobalt is seen as particularly problematic because it is a byproduct of mining copper and nickel, and supply is very concentrated by geography and company.

Almost three-quarters of the world’s mined cobalt supply comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo, where production is dominated by Chinese companies and London-listed Glencore. The Cobalt Institute report shows that the central African country produced 118,000 tonnes of cobalt in 2021 — significantly more than the next largest supplier, Australia, at just 5,600 tonnes.

That has fuelled speculation about whether a big carmaker might acquire a miner. Tesla’s chief executive Elon Musk told an industry conference last week that he was open to the idea.

“It’s not out of the question,” he said at the FT Future of the Car Summit. “We will address whatever limitations are on accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable energy. It’s not that we wish to buy mining companies, but if that’s the only way to accelerate the transition, then we will do that.” Tesla has a goal of producing 20mn electric vehicles annually, up from 1mn last year.

A growing number of electric cars in China — the world’s largest EV market — are powered by low-cost lithium-iron phosphate batteries, which generally have inferior range and performance. But the top models in the US and Europe are still dominated by nickel-cobalt chemistries. These batteries accounted for three-quarters of global EV demand in 2021, according to the report.

“Cobalt-containing batteries are a technology of choice for many car manufacturers in Europe, North America and China,” said Adam McCarthy, president of the Cobalt Institute.

Looking ahead, the institute sees cobalt demand hitting 320,000 tonnes in the next five years, up from 175,000 tonnes in 2021, as the car industry produces more battery-powered vehicles.

While supply is expected to pick up this year and in 2023, leading to a more balanced market, the Cobalt Institute says it will start to slow from 2024, leading to large deficits. “From 2024-26 supply growth will average 8 per cent per year, compared to more than 12 per cent for demand,” the report projected.

The price of cobalt doubled last year, rising from $16 a pound to $32/lb on the back of strong demand from the automotive sector and supply disruptions. It is currently trading at $37/lb.

https://www.ft.com/content/2095ee9b-1426-48ca-9fae-cd79730e23b3

 

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Cobalt is just one, albeit a very important one, of the elements required to make an EV battery.


Electric vehicles overtake phones as top source of cobalt demand

Rare metal’s price surges on supply concerns and proliferation of battery-powered cars

The automotive industry consumed 59,000 tonnes of cobalt in 2021, or 34 per cent of total demand, as sales of electric and hybrid vehicles doubled, according to a report by the Cobalt Institute.

That outstripped the 26,000 tonnes of metal used in mobile phone manufacturing and 16,000 tonnes in laptops and tablets. Total demand for cobalt was 175,000 tonnes against mined supply of 160,000 tonnes.

The mismatch in those figures highlights one of the biggest challenges facing the automotive industry as it goes electric: securing enough raw material. As more electric vehicles are rolled out, concerns are mounting about potential supply crunches for crucial battery metals from cobalt to lithium and nickel. Demand from the car industry is expected to account for half of the cobalt demand by 2026.

Cobalt is seen as particularly problematic because it is a byproduct of mining copper and nickel, and supply is very concentrated by geography and company.

Almost three-quarters of the world’s mined cobalt supply comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo, where production is dominated by Chinese companies and London-listed Glencore. The Cobalt Institute report shows that the central African country produced 118,000 tonnes of cobalt in 2021 — significantly more than the next largest supplier, Australia, at just 5,600 tonnes.

That has fuelled speculation about whether a big carmaker might acquire a miner. Tesla’s chief executive Elon Musk told an industry conference last week that he was open to the idea.

“It’s not out of the question,” he said at the FT Future of the Car Summit. “We will address whatever limitations are on accelerating the world’s transition to sustainable energy. It’s not that we wish to buy mining companies, but if that’s the only way to accelerate the transition, then we will do that.” Tesla has a goal of producing 20mn electric vehicles annually, up from 1mn last year.

A growing number of electric cars in China — the world’s largest EV market — are powered by low-cost lithium-iron phosphate batteries, which generally have inferior range and performance. But the top models in the US and Europe are still dominated by nickel-cobalt chemistries. These batteries accounted for three-quarters of global EV demand in 2021, according to the report.

“Cobalt-containing batteries are a technology of choice for many car manufacturers in Europe, North America and China,” said Adam McCarthy, president of the Cobalt Institute.

Looking ahead, the institute sees cobalt demand hitting 320,000 tonnes in the next five years, up from 175,000 tonnes in 2021, as the car industry produces more battery-powered vehicles.

While supply is expected to pick up this year and in 2023, leading to a more balanced market, the Cobalt Institute says it will start to slow from 2024, leading to large deficits. “From 2024-26 supply growth will average 8 per cent per year, compared to more than 12 per cent for demand,” the report projected.

The price of cobalt doubled last year, rising from $16 a pound to $32/lb on the back of strong demand from the automotive sector and supply disruptions. It is currently trading at $37/lb.

https://www.ft.com/content/2095ee9b-1426-48ca-9fae-cd79730e23b3

Where's Uncle Fester gone?

 

[Yakuda]

I would bet you that the gross weight of all the world's cell-phone batteries outweigh the entire inventory of car EV batteries by millions if not billions of tons.

You ready to give up your phone? How about most computers? Your kid's toys? LOL.

Nice try twumptard.

So it's just you guessing. Figured as much

 

[LurchAddams]

So it's just you guessing. Figured as much

So, here's the difference between you and me - I actually DO think. My "guess" is based on my knowledge that we have more cell phones and used cell phones batteries than you can imagine because the tech has been around since the early 2000-ties.

Please use your head like the rest of us do. Thanks so much.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

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This machine is required to move 500 tons of earth/ ore which will be refined into one lithium car battery. It burns 900-1000 gallons of fuel in a 12 hour shift.
Lithium is refined from ore using sulfuric acid. The proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass is estimated to require up to 75 semi loads of sulfuric acid a day! The acid does not turn into unicorn food like AOC believes.

A battery in an electric car, lets say an average Tesla, is made of 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic, etc...... averaging 750-1,000 pounds
of minerals, that had to be mined and processed into a battery that merely stores electricity..... Electricity which is generated by oil, gas, coal, nuclear, or water (and a tiny fraction of wind and solar)....

That is the truth, about the lie, of "green" energy.

There’s nothing green about the Green New Deal. You people better learn how to vote or this nonsense will continue to flow down on top of you from the throne of government you put these people on.

Add up all the oil spills on the last 70 years and tell us again about green energy.

Many Tesla models are now sold out until 2023 in the US even after price increase
Tesla updated its delivery timelines on new vehicle orders and it showed that many models, especially the Model Y, are sold out for the year in the US – even after the price increase.

There’s currently a rush to order electric vehicles as the technology gains in momentum naturally and through the gas price increase.
For Tesla, we previously reported that it has resulted in a significant increase in its order rate in several regions of the US.
The best way we have to track the backlog of orders is to look at Tesla’s delivery timelines on new orders on its online configurator.
Today, Tesla updated all of the delivery timelines across the lineup and it is showing a strong backlog of orders, especially for the Model Y.
The base version of the Model Y, which now sells for $63,000 after recent price increases, is now being delivered between January 2023 and April 2023.