Western U.S. faces water and power shortages due to climate change, U.N. warns

Phoenix could soon become uninhabitable — and the poor will be the first to leave

As climate change worsens, desert cities like Phoenix must adapt, or face a mass exodus

As climate change continues to bake the Earth, it is not merely the presence of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere that is heating our cities. In many cases, human-made infrastructure is exacerbating or even making our cities more uninhabitable.

Indeed, as the world warms, something called the "heat island effect" is a major threat to countless cities. The heat island effect is a phenomenon in which urban areas experience higher temperatures than the areas adjacent to them.

It is typically caused by infrastructure, like buildings and roads, absorbing excess heat; they retain that heat that they absorb during the day and keep cities hot, even at night time.

This is why the summer overnight low in cities like Phoenix, Ariz., is often 90° Fahrenheit or higher.

For sprawling cities with lots of paved land, the heat island effect is going to be pervasive — and in the United States, this is true perhaps nowhere more so than in desert cities like Phoenix.

As a result — and in the not-too-distant future — Phoenix will likely be uninhabitable. Scientists can not say for sure when that will happen, but they do know what the signs will be — and they even have a vague sense of how a depopulation scenario might play out.

B.D. Wortham-Galvin, Director and Associate Professor at Clemson University's Master of Resilient Urban Design, observed that "what the science does say is that the temperature limit of human tolerance is around 95 degrees Fahrenheit. Above that temperature humans cannot shed heat well enough to maintain core temperature ... if you can't cool down that is when brain and organ damage begins."

https://www.salon.com/2022/07/31/ph...ble--and-the-poor-will-be-the-first-to-leave/

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Yep Sam is right every time!

Post #58, dear readers.

This blowhard couldn't logically or factually or even rationally disprove what I wrote or the information in the links I provided. He still can't. So in true wonk/toady fashion, Old Primo goes to having the last word/attempted insult as a "win".

:palm: Carry on, Primo.
 
Good luck talking to tommy no nads

He (or she) is like a lot of folk that give Europeans a bad name....a flabby former National Front Brit who's now an expat in Thailand (allegedly), yet he seems obsessed with the right wing cum MAGA machinations here in America.

Notice when I documented info from Thailand and Singapore that put the kibosh on his climate denier BS, he STFU and blew as much smoke as possible. An intellectually impotent coward, our Primo. It's my guilty pleasure in dismantling his BS and making a fool of him.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Follow your own "logic": assuming your number is correct, what states do you consider in the "South West" inundated with illegal immigrants? Then divide your number into those states, then get a census of the population. Essentially, you'll find that number of people are NOT solely responsible for the aforementioned shortages.

Apropos to this, see Post #5.



Nobody said the illegals are the SOLE cause of this problem. But they are a big part of it and we can legally make them leave and so we must. THINK

To quote you from Post #72; The water and electricity shortage would vanish overnight if we would enforce the law and make the 30 million illegal aliens in our SW leave.

To anyone with a high school G.E.D, you are saying in no uncertain terms, that without illegal aliens, the shortages would end. Logic dictates then that they would be the SOLE cause of the shortages.

Let me dumb it down for you before you blather on with in some other form with the SOS: If you have a bath tub with 1 child in it with no problems, and it suddenly overflows if you add 5 more kids in the tub, then those 5 kids are the cause of the overflow. Capice'?

You see toodles, you're not only intellectually impotent, but dishonest as well. The last word in your previous post is something YOU should do before your fingers hit the keys...makes you look less stupid.

But I don't expect you to honestly answer my previous question or admit error on any level....stubborn pride and stupidity seem to be the cornerstone of the MAGA set. Carry on.
 
I use to live in Arizona, was planning moving back, but with the 22 year old drought and with possible water shortages I'm glad I didn't?!! Also housing is too damn high too?!!

[FONT=&]The two largest reservoirs in the United States are at “dangerously low levels,” threatening the supply of fresh water and electricity in six states and Mexico, the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) warned on Tuesday.
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[FONT=&]Lake Mead and Lake Powell, which are both man-made reservoirs on the Colorado River, are currently at their lowest levels ever, in part because of an ongoing drought exacerbated by climate change.
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[FONT=&]“The conditions in the American West which we're seeing around the Colorado River basin have been so dry for more than 20 years that we're no longer speaking of a drought,” said Lis Mullin Bernhardt, an ecosystems expert at UNEP. “We refer to it as ‘aridification’ — a new, very dry normal.”
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[FONT=&]The river is also struggling thanks to overconsumption due to a growing population and an outdated agreement that guarantees allotments for its neighboring states. The reservoirs provide water for agricultural and residential use in Arizona, California, Colorado, Wyoming, Nevada and New Mexico.
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[FONT=&]If conditions don’t improve, Lake Mead and Lake Powell are at risk of reaching “dead pool” status, in which the water is so low it stops flowing out of a reservoir. That would disable the hydroelectric dams that help provide power for millions of residents of the western U.S.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/western-...due-to-climate-change-un-warns-211255637.html

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Buy an electric car and lower your expectations by not charging your new purchase.
 
Word stuffing.

A fact is not a proof. A fact is not logic. You discard and deny logic. Attempted proof by buzzword.

LIF. You are describing yourself.

LIF. You are describing yourself.

Cliche fallacy.

Can't be bothered with Titchy Literal, it's always the same old cliches and bollox from him.
 
He (or she) is like a lot of folk that give Europeans a bad name....a flabby former National Front Brit who's now an expat in Thailand (allegedly), yet he seems obsessed with the right wing cum MAGA machinations here in America.

Notice when I documented info from Thailand and Singapore that put the kibosh on his climate denier BS, he STFU and blew as much smoke as possible. An intellectually impotent coward, our Primo. It's my guilty pleasure in dismantling his BS and making a fool of him.

You are sucking up to Guno? It and Evince run neck and neck for the trophy of dumb fuck. No competing with you though.
 
Can't be bothered with Titchy Literal, it's always the same old cliches and bollox from him.

As the reader can see from the chronology of the posts, old Primo can't logically or factually best me in a debate, so he now falls back to this mantra that can only be justified to an idiot who consistently misuses the word "fallacy" when he's defeated in a debate as well.

Tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber consoling each other with an intellectually impotent circle jerk. How quaint.

Oh, will someone explain to me why an old ex National Front minded Brit living as an expat in Thailand has such a hard on for American conservative politics?
 
Oh and what's this bollox about the National Front, the last time I voted in England it was for Nick Clegg, more fool me. TCL is a classic case of Dunning-Kruger in action.

https://www.britannica.com/science/Dunning-Kruger-effect

Your a liar, Primo. You've demonstrated your bigotry time and again regarding black Americans in various exchanges with I and others. Clowns like you are always thinking they're pseudo-intellectuals when blathering their bigotry. That you cozy up to an insane POS like Into The Night does not give credence to this latest claim of yours.

But you keep saying I'm not worth responding to....that's the usual BS defeated creeps like you spew when you can't get past me in a debate/discussion. If that's the case, STFU and put me on your ignore list. That's what I do with such people, like I did with Into The Night (aka "Squawkie"). If you can't do this, then I would suggest therapy. Carry on. ;)
 
You are sucking up to Guno? It and Evince run neck and neck for the trophy of dumb fuck. No competing with you though.

Are you drunk or what? My post lays out EXACTLY why Primo is full of it. Like all right wing blowhards, he STFU and tries to change the subject when faced with facts he can't BS past.

How you interpreted this as "sucking up" to anyone would take some serious ganja tokes to understand. Carry on.
 
As the reader can see from the chronology of the posts, old Primo can't logically or factually best me in a debate, so he now falls back to this mantra that can only be justified to an idiot who consistently misuses the word "fallacy" when he's defeated in a debate as well.

Tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber consoling each other with an intellectually impotent circle jerk. How quaint.

Oh, will someone explain to me why an old ex National Front minded Brit living as an expat in Thailand has such a hard on for American conservative politics?

I could explain but you're way too stupid to understand. It shows you how much the fool knows as the National Front hasn't barely existed for many years now, it's heyday was way back in the 70s, which is where TCL's head resides politically.
 
TaiChhi likes to act more intellectual and educated than it really is. Democrat la la land.

Explain how one "acts" in a printed medium, genius. Oh, and since neither you or your compadres can actually counter or debunk my post/threads using facts and logic, your bleating is of no consequence.

P.S.: I'm an Independent....didn't vote for Dump or Biden....did a write in for Sanders and Warren. Just an FYI for you to dither about.
 
Your a liar, Primo. You've demonstrated your bigotry time and again regarding black Americans in various exchanges with I and others. Clowns like you are always thinking they're pseudo-intellectuals when blathering their bigotry. That you cozy up to an insane POS like Into The Night does not give credence to this latest claim of yours.

But you keep saying I'm not worth responding to....that's the usual BS defeated creeps like you spew when you can't get past me in a debate/discussion. If that's the case, STFU and put me on your ignore list. That's what I do with such people, like I did with Into The Night (aka "Squawkie"). If you can't do this, then I would suggest therapy. Carry on. ;)

I've lost count of the number of times you've claimed to have me on ignore. Now you've resorted to calling me a liar when you've no way to substantiate that bullshit. Then, of course, you play the race card no surprise there either.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
As the reader can see from the chronology of the posts, old Primo can't logically or factually best me in a debate, so he now falls back to this mantra that can only be justified to an idiot who consistently misuses the word "fallacy" when he's defeated in a debate as well.

Tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber consoling each other with an intellectually impotent circle jerk. How quaint.

Oh, will someone explain to me why an old ex National Front minded Brit living as an expat in Thailand has such a hard on for American conservative politics?


I could explain but you're way too stupid to understand. It shows you how much the fool knows as the National Front hasn't barely existed for many years now, it's heyday was way back in the 70s, which is where TCL's head resides politically.

Hey genius, learn how to read carefully and comprehensively.....that's why I preface your description with "OLD", because the NF has officially been toast for YEARS, but the mindset for dolts like you carries on, like you have recently demonstrated.

On this thread, however, Post #58 put the kibosh on your climate denying BS...of which you don't have the cojones to even concede the factual, logical evidence. Once again the chronology of the posts makes a fool of you...especially your first sentence. Carry on, toodles.
 
I've lost count of the number of times you've claimed to have me on ignore. Now you've resorted to calling me a liar when you've no way to substantiate that bullshit. Then, of course, you play the race card no surprise there either.

He's still bleating, dear readers! As you know, when I put defeated dullards like this on the ignore list, they follow me around like a bitch in heat seeking attention...despite getting a notice that I can't see their posts because their on the ignore list.

Post #58 essentially shut down this UK yokel awhile ago...he can't stand it, and thinks detouring all over the place to have the last word is a consolation prize of sorts. But the chronology of the posts will always be the undoing of clowns like Primo.

I'm done with him for now.....I'll take him off the ignore list in about a month or so, but in the meantime will watch the notices pop up as he fumes and stamps his widdle feet in circle jerks with the other right wing trolls. :awesome:
 
You don’t think an artificially made source of water for a growing population in an arid area has anything to do with a water shortage in those places?

It didn't so long as the users continued to find and develop new and alternate sources of water. The historical big user of these sources was Southern and middle California. The state and users did little towards developing better conservation methods or increasing sources. Instead, they simply drained what sources existed without thought. The result now is that California is facing the most severe drought conditions and having to take the most draconian measures to counter it.

While Arizona and Nevada have issues theirs are nowhere near as dire as California's.
 
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