Russia when its armies came out of nowhere to defeat Hitler's millions-strong divisions compared to Russia today is the difference between a country that believes in a war and a country that doesn't.
Putin's Ukraine Cataclysm
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Russia when its armies came out of nowhere to defeat Hitler's millions-strong divisions compared to Russia today is the difference between a country that believes in a war and a country that doesn't.
good point
Russia and the other Soviet republics were fully mobilized for war against Hitler, and were defending their soil against a bloodthirsty invader.
I don't think invading Ukraine is the type of war that can stir the emotions and commitment of garden variety Russian soldiers.
He says all kind of things. He’s all over the place.
these are some serious gains in the south and east, but Russia is fighting against NATO weapons
in our war against Russia - so it dont come easy
you should check the context of why it was said
Putin Warns U.S.-Russia Nuclear War Would Leave No Survivors
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-warns-nobody-would-survive-us-russia-conflict-622276
Nobody does exactly but if if you watched a YouTube tv show called Bald and Bankrupt you might get some idea. It was done before the war over time in several (many) locales. These Brits visit all kinds of towns, go into peoples’ apartments, etc.
You see Soviet Union flags still on display. One old lady had a sign hanging that translated “Crimea Is Ours”.
No one knows the level of support for the war in Russia but there is definitely support.
There was ‘widespread’ support for the Vietnam War in America. There was overwhelming support for the Iraq war. (I was against it from Day 1)
One day he’s another Peter the Great expanding Russia, another day his invasion is a defensive operation.
Those little Baltic countries that were former Soviet republics have genuine fear of Russian aggression.
.. Dictator vs democracy: Belarus one year on
On August 9, 2020, an unprecedented wave of protests swept across Belarus in the aftermath of a deeply flawed presidential election. The protects soon swelled into a nationwide pro-democracy movement that threatened to topple the regime of Belarus dictator Alyaksandr Lukashenka.
With his twenty-six year reign poised to end in disaster, Lukashenka was rescued by Russia. Vladimir Putin simply could not allow the fall of a fellow post-Soviet dictator at the hands of a grassroots democratic uprising. Instead, he dispatched planeloads of propagandists to Minsk, provided Lukashenka with a financial lifeline, and publicly declared his readiness to send Russian forces into Belarus if things got “out of control.”
Moscow’s intervention was a success and paved the way for an increasingly brutal crackdown as the Belarusian authorities sought to regain control over the restive country.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/belarusalert/dictator-vs-democracy-belarus-one-year-on/
Read Sun Tzu.
We've already covered this. Superior weapons don't win wars.
If they did, we would have defeated the Taliban 20 years ago, and the North Vietnamese army 50 years ago.
Wars are won by correct strategy, tactics, and the commitment and morale of your forces. And having a clear and achievable political objective as your goal.
Russia has known for years that if they invaded Ukraine, European and North American nations would likely render the Ukranians military assistance. Military leaders and strategists are supposed to prepare for every reasonably possible contingency.
it's an artillery slug out for the most part and Ukraine has HIMAR GPS targeting
That weapon allows hitting Russian ammo dumps,and rail lines and bridges by Ukraine beyond Russian ability to strike back at them
CLEARLY JAVELIN RENDERED TANK COLUMNS OBSOLETE, and drones have been used Russia doesnt have
Russia has superior missiles and can strike far into Ukraine,but cant advance armor.
It ALL about the weapons
Ukraine didn't have heavy western weapons and artillery until April, and not in any quantity until this summer.
Almost all the weapons Ukraine had on hand for the first couple months was it's stockpile of Soviet era weapons.
History has numerous examples of a nation with superior technology being bested by a highly motivated force with inferior weapons.
it's all about logistics and weapons
https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-ill-fated-invasion-ukraine-lessons-modern-warfare
evertheless, the Russian military faced numerous challenges in conducting its air campaign.
First, the Russian air force failed to achieve air superiority against a Ukrainian military with notable air defense capabilities, such as Stinger man-portable air-defense systems, S-300 surface-to-air missile systems, and other systems—thanks, in part, to Western aid. The success of Ukrainian air defenses deterred Russian aircraft from freely operating over most of Ukrainian-controlled territory. This meant that one of Russia’s primary ways to strike deep into Ukraine was through cruise missiles launched from Russia, Belarus, and maritime vessels in the Black Sea.
Second, the Russian air force faced recurring logistics challenges, including running low on stocks of long-range, precision-guided munitions. Three weeks into the war, for example, the Russian air force began to run low on precision-guided munitions, such as laser- and satellite-guided bombs, which caused the Russians to use a growing number of unguided artillery shells, rockets, and missiles from the ground forces.18 When it came to weapons systems such as the Iskander-M short-range ballistic missile system, the Russian military was also hesitant to expend a portion of its stockpile, which it needed for defense against the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and other threats.19 In addition, dozens of Russian UAVs, such as the Orlan-10, Orlan-20, Orlan-30, Eleron-3, and Forpost, were shot down on the battlefield or subject to electronic jamming.20 These challenges were exacerbated by t
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And Ukrainians are fighting for their homes. The Russians aren't.
Everybody on this board knew well before the invasion that Ukraine had a few hundred stinger missile launchers.
But even with that knowledge, on February 24 almost everyone on this board, including you and including most military experts, expected Russia's superpower military to overrun Ukraine in a few days
You cannot belatedly claim after the fact that you totally expected that a second rate European nation would fight a world military superpower to a standstill.
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MAGA turds on this board spent the first few weeks of this war screaming that Ukranians should just surrender and submit to avoid casualties and destruction.
People in that part of the world are hardned by history and by one thousand years of invasions and wars. In defence of home and hearth, they are going to resist with tenacity and fortitude.
they had more then that, but what nobody saw coming was the Javelin .They were so effective the remove Russian tanks from being an asset unable integrate combined arms on the battlefield That is a YUGE difference from previous war
you really should look thru the lnk
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I'm for helping Ukraine. There are Libratards here that support Russia. So I think you misrepresent peoples opinions. While I disagree with people that want to let Ukraine solve their own problems I see their point of view and respect their opinion. I however see this like Hitler's expansionism. It must be stopped early or Ukraine would be only the first step. I would rather that we wouldn't have to deal with this issue but I feel if we don't it will be worse in the end. I do realize however that this thing may spiral out of control to a full fledged shooting war with Russia and that is something no one wants.
BTW Biden's aggressive stance against fossil fuels have helped raise the price of fossil fuels and that has helped Russia finance this war. Even as we speak the Democrats are busy trying to put more taxes on the fossil fuel industry which will only raise the price of fossil fuel. And that will help Putin pay for his war.
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I really appreciate how bipartisan the support for Ukraine has been.
Moon in not even an American citizen, so I do not claim him as an American liberal. Hopefully for every Annatta, Stone, and Hawkeye demanding Ukranian surrender,or promoting Kremlin propaganda there are five MAGAs who supports Ukraine.
I was laughably wrong that the chances were slim Putin would order a full scale Invasion.
But I felt like the Ukrainian army would not be routed and easily defeated.