Ray Epps These three questions about Epps destroy the entire Fedsurrection lie

T. A. Gardner said:
It is illegal to encourage people to commit a crime, and Epps did that on video repeatedly.
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Convict all criminals. Anyone who advocated violence or breaking the law on 1/6 should go to prison regardless of their political affiliation or how much Pedo Don cock they suck.

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Poor Richard Saunders said:
I guess we will have to wait for the release of the transcript to find out.
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Notice that all the Trump liars don't make sense when all of their lies are compiled; how can they logically claim Ray Epps started a riot then flip-flop and claim it was a peaceful tourist visit? They are lying.

The biggest irony? Ray Epps was affiliated with the WSE terrorists. Now, because of the death-threats and conspiracy theories against him, he really is flipping over to become an FBI informant against the terrorists....which might explain why he isn't being charged. Same for hundreds of other 1/6 criminals who were non-violent and are giving testimony against the terrorists.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/01/jan-6-conspiracy-theory-centers-on-baseless-claim-about-ray-epps/
Jan. 6 Conspiracy Theory Centers on Baseless Claim About Ray Epps
In photos from the Daily Mail story, Epps is wearing a Marines cap and the first Revolver post says that he served in that branch of the military. A spokesman for the Marines confirmed to us that there is a service record for Epps that matches his name and birthdate, which we got from a Pennsylvania arrest record for trespassing in 2015.

The website for his wedding business says that he spent most of his career in construction.

Epps has also been involved with the Oath Keepers, an organization founded in 2009 that describes itself as defending the U.S. Constitution and says on its website that members “will not obey” orders they deem to be unconstitutional.

The Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League have each classified the Oath Keepers as an anti-government extremist organization.

Members of the Oath Keepers have been charged in what prosecutors allege was a wide-ranging conspiracy to breach the Capitol and stop the counting of electoral votes on Jan. 6.

The organization’s founder, Stewart Rhodes, hasn’t been criminally charged, and a lawyer for one of the defendants in the conspiracy case told the judge in December that the uncertainty over whether or not he will be is hampering her ability to plan for trial.

Update, Jan. 13: On Jan. 13, the Justice Department announced seditious conspiracy charges against Rhodes and 10 members of the Oath Keepers.

The congressional committee investigating the Capitol attack subpoenaed Rhodes on Nov. 23, and he was also named in a civil suit brought by seven officers who were at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

Epps hasn’t been charged with any crimes relating to the riot and we don’t know if he is currently a member of the organization. But in 2011 he was pictured with Rhodes and identified as president of the Oath Keepers’ Arizona chapter on a website called Freedom’s Phoenix. He was also identified as the president of that chapter in a post on the Oath Keepers’ website that year.
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
So you didn't know that your "story" about the grandmother sitting in jail was false.
and you don't know that your "story" about Ray Epps is false.
I see a pattern here in your credulity.
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What "story" about Ray Epps? If you are talking about him testifying you then failed to answer why he was not charged. He is visibly inciting a crowd to go into the Capital bldg on at least two occasions. If in fact, Epps was not a Federal agent, that makes him a ripe target for further investigation and potential charges. If he was a Federal agent, I would suspect the committee's actions would be to ignore Epps actions. Guess what they have chosen to do?
 
Lionfish said:
What "story" about Ray Epps? If you are talking about him testifying you then failed to answer why he was not charged. He is visibly inciting a crowd to go into the Capital bldg on at least two occasions. If in fact, Epps was not a Federal agent, that makes him a ripe target for further investigation and potential charges. If he was a Federal agent, I would suspect the committee's actions would be to ignore Epps actions. Guess what they have chosen to do?
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This has been answered. It is not a violation of any law to tell someone to go into the Capitol 12-24 hours before someone goes into the Capitol. In order to incite a riot the words have to result in an imminent riot.
You can't charge someone with a crime when what they did isn't a crime but is only an exercise of their free speech. If you have evidence of a conspiracy by Epps with others then by all means tell us what that evidence is and who the conspirators were.

Was Epps on the grounds of the Capitol? Yes. So were about 5,000-10,000 other people that haven't been charged.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
This has been answered. It is not a violation of any law to tell someone to go into the Capitol 12-24 hours before someone goes into the Capitol. In order to incite a riot the words have to result in an imminent riot.
You can't charge someone with a crime when what they did isn't a crime but is only an exercise of their free speech. If you have evidence of a conspiracy by Epps with others then by all means tell us what that evidence is and who the conspirators were.

Was Epps on the grounds of the Capitol? Yes. So were about 5,000-10,000 other people that haven't been charged.
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Epps should have been arrested and charged. But, the whole thing is meaningless and of interest only to right wing fascists who want Trump to take over the government with violence.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
This has been answered. It is not a violation of any law to tell someone to go into the Capitol 12-24 hours before someone goes into the Capitol. In order to incite a riot the words have to result in an imminent riot.
You can't charge someone with a crime when what they did isn't a crime but is only an exercise of their free speech. If you have evidence of a conspiracy by Epps with others then by all means tell us what that evidence is and who the conspirators were.

Was Epps on the grounds of the Capitol? Yes. So were about 5,000-10,000 other people that haven't been charged.
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Here is all I have,

"Defenders of Ray Epps contend he has not been arrested because he didn't break the law during the Capitol riot, but a woman caught on video standing next to him is facing up to a year in prison for being in a "restricted area" — something Epps was also filmed doing.

Raechel Genco was seen on video standing just feet away from Epps on Jan. 6 as he whispered into the ear of her boyfriend, Ryan Samsel, who promptly led a mob that stormed a police barricade. But unlike Samsel, the 38-year-old Pennsylvania woman simply stood by. And unlike Epps, Genco was not seen a day earlier encouraging a crowd to enter the Capitol illegally.

That incident took place just outside the restricted area, but Epps was later filmed well inside the forbidden zone, as was Genco. But of the two, only Genco was charged with a sole count of trespassing on restricted Capitol grounds. She faces up to a year in prison if convicted."

Prosecutors presented a single frame of video footage showing Genco walking on restricted Capitol grounds in their criminal complaint. Epps was also filmed on the steps of the Capitol building in front of a police line, well inside the restricted area."

What I believe is Epps was a federal agent and I base that on the videos presented with his over the top encouragement to the crowd and the very conspicuous lack of interest he seems to have drawn from the committee and the media compared to grandma getting arrested.

If you don't like my personal conclusions you know where you can store them.
 
BidenPresident said:
Epps should have been arrested and charged. But, the whole thing is meaningless and of interest only to right wing fascists who want Trump to take over the government with violence.
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Wasn't he? I think he flipped, which is why the Alt-Right hates him so much. A lot of Trump fans are going to prison and the fucking moronic Pedo Don fans are blaming Epps, not Trump for all that happened at 1/6.

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Lionfish said:
What I believe is Epps was a federal agent and I base that on the videos presented with his over the top encouragement to the crowd and the very conspicuous lack of interest he seems to have drawn from the committee and the media compared to grandma getting arrested.
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Unlikely he was then, but he certainly is one now. He's singing like a canary about the WSE terrorists, how they work, who's in them, funding, weapons caches, etc.

People who act as witnesses for the Feds get deals. The idiots who don't cut a deal, will burn for their actions on 1/6.

All the WSE members are going to regret they ever participated in an anti-American terrorist group.

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Dutch Uncle said:
Unlikely he was then, but he certainly is one now. He's singing like a canary about the WSE terrorists, how they work, who's in them, funding, weapons caches, etc.

People who act as witnesses for the Feds get deals. The idiots who don't cut a deal, will burn for their actions on 1/6.

All the WSE members are going to regret they ever participated in an anti-American terrorist group.

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Agreed.
 
ExpressLane said:
It is if you are encouraging them to illegally enter that building.
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Not unless you can prove they would not have entered that building without his actions. The fact that he urged them to enter the building the day before it happened means they did not enter because of aroused emotions due to his speech.

The fact that the crowd starting chanting "Fed" (I included a video) proves they were not following his lead but rejecting it. It is almost possible to charge his actions alone was the cause of the illegal attack.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It is illegal to encourage people to commit a crime, and Epps did that on video repeatedly.
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It is not illegal to encourage people to commit a crime unless you can prove they committed that crime as a result of your speech and in the case of a riot it must usually involve emotional content and imminent action.
 
Lionfish said:
What "story" about Ray Epps? If you are talking about him testifying you then failed to answer why he was not charged. He is visibly inciting a crowd to go into the Capital bldg on at least two occasions. If in fact, Epps was not a Federal agent, that makes him a ripe target for further investigation and potential charges. If he was a Federal agent, I would suspect the committee's actions would be to ignore Epps actions. Guess what they have chosen to do?
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The day of the riot Epps was urging a person who was already fighting to get into the Capitol. Epps did not incite him to take an action he was already committing. The other time was the night before which takes away the element of emotion requires for incitement plus the crowd was yelling against him, not supporting him.
 
Flash said:
It is not illegal to encourage people to commit a crime unless you can prove they committed that crime as a result of your speech and in the case of a riot it must usually involve emotional content and imminent action.
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Yelling fire in a theater... Same thing here. There was a riot on Jan 6. Epps is on lots of video egging on the crowd and encouraging violence and law breaking. That pretty much makes him an accomplice.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yelling fire in a theater... Same thing here. There was a riot on Jan 6. Epps is on lots of video egging on the crowd and encouraging violence and law breaking. That pretty much makes him an accomplice.
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Yelling fire in crowded theater is not a crime unless the crowd panics because of the yelling. Nobody entered the Capitol because of Epps. If he committed a crime, charge him. It must be a weak-minded crowd to do what Epps said; yet, they were yelling "Fed, Fed, Fed."
 
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