There are 120 guns for every 100 Americans

BartenderElite said:
So, it's a topic for discussion. We lead the world in gun ownership, and in gun violence. This is not a coincidence.

It's worth discussing. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe people are fine that we lead the world in gun violence, and this is just the way it is.
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Price of freedom, very few nations are truly free including Canada where the government treats its citizens like cattle
 
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BartenderElite said:
I support the 2nd amendment, and the right to own a gun.

But there is something wrong w/ America. Gun ownership has a near-religious devotion among some segments of the population. We hear "God, guns & gays" from voters in some regions, and for many, it is the top voting issue. Every small regulation or background check is a "slippery slope." The NRA refuses to postpone or move a large event that is taking place within days of a devastating shooting in a nearby location.

Like Trump support, it's a bit of a cult, and always a battle for those who are believers. The government is just an entity that wants to "grab their guns."

We're unique in the world in this respect. The 2nd country on the list has half the guns per capita that America does.

We're a gun nation.
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Excellent. I need to get a couple more.
 
RB 60 said:
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You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania , And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations
 
Stringfellow Hawk said:
Price of freedom, very few nations are truly free including Canada where the government treats its citizens like cattle
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The price of freedom is 30,000-40,000 gun deaths per year? EVERY year?

Jesus, we lost less than 60,000 in Vietnam in 10 years and were outraged at that.

Perhaps one should rethink that concept. Those deaths certainly do not bring us closer to freedom.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's an irrelevance. Guns aren't the problem, crazy people, criminals, and such are. Without guns we'd still have just as much violence, only it'd be with knives, hammers, or whatever instead.

The place to start is trying to reduce, or at least restrict, the ability of the crazy, insane, drug addled, and emotionally unstable from getting access to guns. Criminals are going to be a problem regardless. That's true anywhere. I've already suggested a more flexible approach to restricting access to firearms one where you put someone on "The List" fairly easy with some evidence, but they can get off that list fairly easily by contacting the authorities and being interviewed.

That would massively cut down on gun violence on its own. The current system is difficult to put someone on the Red Flag list, and once you are on that list it's nearly impossible to get off it. That 0 - 1 approach is wrong. We need a middle way.
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I love guns.

But I seriously doubt the Vegas shooter could have killed 60 people by throwing knives or hammers out of his hotel window.
 
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