The stunning, total defeat of ACORN

webbway said:
Liar, Liar, Pants on fire!

The New York Times reported on July 9, 2008, that Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN's founder Wade Rathke, was found to have embezzled $948,607.50 from the group and affiliated charitable organizations back in 1999 and 2000. ACORN executives decided to handle it as an internal matter, and did not inform most of the board members or law enforcement, and instead signed an enforceable restitution agreement with the Rathke family to repay the amount of the embezzlement. Wade Rathke told the Times, "the decision to keep the matter secret was not made to protect his brother but because word of the embezzlement would have put a 'weapon' into the hands of enemies of Acorn, a liberal group that is a frequent target of conservatives who object to ACORN's often strident advocacy on behalf of low- and moderate-income families and workers." A whistleblower revealed the embezzlement in 2008. On June 2, 2008, Dale Rathke was dismissed, and Wade stepped down as ACORN's chief organizer, but he remains chief organizer for Acorn International L.L.C.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Rathke



Deal with it, the place is run by crooks....
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Okay, pay close attention: aiding and abetting means that Rathke would STILL be at his job, and STILL embezzling money. As your article shows, when they caught him, he was FIRED and the money paid back to the organization.

What ACORN is guilty of is NOT reporting the incident to the authorities so that Rathke would face ADDITIONAL punishment...or fully cleaning house by having Wade dismissed under conflict of interests. That is wrong, and that will cost them credibility in any future investigations, especially since his brother is still in a position of authority. When an investigations proves that Wade was in cahoots with his brother, then that's pretty much starting the death nell for Acorn.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
yeah, you really think any of us are going to believe that crap?.....
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A bunch of neocon parrots, some willfully ignorant, some beligerant and stubborn and others just plain fucking stupid? No, I don't expect much from you in the way of facts and logic and honest debate.

But hope springs eternal.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Well, brace yourself kid....because our very infrastructure in American society is either dependent upon, or associated with "gov't money". Clean water, good roads, good food, building quality, job security, etc., etc. are all intertwined with federal gov't regulations, funding, subsidies, etc. IF YOU ENJOY ANY QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS INDUSTRIALIZED SOCIETY AT PRESENT, THEN YOU ARE A DIRECT OR INDIRECT BENEFICIARY OF GOV'T FUNDING. ;)
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Maybe I am reading this wrong or just misunderstanding the conversation but isn't there a difference between an orgainzation that relies on funding from the government to survive versus a private orgainzation that earns money from the government by providing it services?
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Well, brace yourself kid....because our very infrastructure in American society is either dependent upon, or associated with "gov't money". Clean water, good roads, good food, building quality, job security, etc., etc. are all intertwined with federal gov't regulations, funding, subsidies, etc. IF YOU ENJOY ANY QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS INDUSTRIALIZED SOCIETY AT PRESENT, THEN YOU ARE A DIRECT OR INDIRECT BENEFICIARY OF GOV'T FUNDING.
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cawacko said:
Maybe I am reading this wrong or just misunderstanding the conversation but isn't there a difference between an orgainzation that relies on funding from the government to survive versus a private orgainzation that earns money from the government by providing it services?
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There is...but they both share one commonality...they receive gov't money, without which they would either not exist or be extremely limited. To rail that no one should receive gov't money is just not correct....which is what I was pointing out.
 
Taichiliberal said:
There is...but they both share one commonality...they receive gov't money, without which they would either not exist or be extremely limited. To rail that no one should receive gov't money is just not correct....which is what I was pointing out.
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I obviously can't speak for Tobasco but just from reading the exchange I thought he was clearly speaking about organizations who just receive government funding. However he'll have to answer that.
 
cawacko said:
Maybe I am reading this wrong or just misunderstanding the conversation but isn't there a difference between an orgainzation that relies on funding from the government to survive versus a private orgainzation that earns money from the government by providing it services?
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USFREEDOM911 said:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, siss(ie)Y This is a child's name for his sister or to announce he peed his pants...either that our this asshole STILL can't spell a school yard insult. For about 2 years I've made the correction, but his proud ignorance keeps him from correcting his folly. :rolleyes:appears to have his knickers in a knot.

Would you like to try and find a way to make me STFU??
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And of course, when challenged to actually defend his assertions, Freedumb opts for the school yard "I know you are but what am I" route.

You're not interested in actually reading or debating anything I write...you're just a bitter neocon asshole out for revenge, (or you're too stupid to comprehend what you read)...and will never get it, because let's face it...you're just not that smart.

I called you out, you failed to meet a simple challenge. Back into the dumpster you go.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And of course, when challenged to actually defend his assertions, Freedumb opts for the school yard "I know you are but what am I" route.

You're not interested in actually reading or debating anything I write...you're just a bitter neocon asshole out for revenge, (or you're too stupid to comprehend what you read)...and will never get it, because let's face it...you're just not that smart.

I called you out, you failed to meet a simple challenge. Back into the dumpster you go.
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Maybe it's because you haven't written anything that is worth reading or debating.

Live I've said, sissie, you're just the internet version of a wall flower that is to be ignored and pittied.
 
Whomever said:
There is no difference, if one must punish the majority for the actions of a few?

We currently have at least 3 preachers awaiting trial for child molestation in KY.
At least 3 that are currently in the news.
And none of them are Catholic either :shock:

So we should remove tax exempt status for all those churches of the same demonations?

What about the FDLS and that church with rev. billy bob or whatever as the leader that was convicted on child molestation with the help of his church leaders?

And I figure some of those denominations get federal funds for programs.
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No it is not the same unless those churches were also receiving tax dollars.

Should a church caught in illegal behavior have it's tax exemption removed? It would depend if the church as an organization were corrupt, or an individual member. What would be required is an independent investigation by the government or law enforcement.

ACORN appears to have enough corruption to not just lose all government funding, their tax exempt status, but because they have abused tax payer's money in such a corrupt manner, they ought to be independently investigated and face any and all criminal charges!
 
Originally Posted by uscitizen
Can we carry this acorn logic over to churches?
We have some that promote sex with underage girls so ban em all?
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Ice Dancer said:
I think debating the tax status of churches is a fair argument to have. ACORN however was not only tax exempt they recieved millions of tax payers dollars and were in the tube to receive 8 billion more via the Obama stimulus.

Two very seperate arguments.

P.S. Any illegal activity by any tax exempt organization should be grounds to lose their tax exempt status.
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And yet the Roman Catholic church, which aided and abetted pedophiles for decades, is STILL tax exempt.

Pulling Acorn's federal funding should be only on the grounds of proving gross mismanagement or intentional management criminal activity....these little sting operations did not prove this.....but this plus other past incidences may result in some fund curtailing.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And yet the Roman Catholic church, which aided and abetted pedophiles for decades, is STILL tax exempt.

Pulling Acorn's federal funding should be only on the grounds of proving gross mismanagement or intentional management criminal activity....these little sting operations did not prove this.....but this plus other past incidences may result in some fund curtailing.
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I actually agree that the gross cover-up by the hierarchy in the RC church in America was grounds for loss of all tax exemptions. In fact I think that there should be no such thing as tax exemption for any one or any group.

ACORN has already lost much of its funding and all of its status. They ought to be rigorously investigated as well. I heard that the Justice Dept is going to audit them as far back 1998? I hope they do. They, ACORN, are also closely tied to the SEIU.

Imagine, if a conservative org. got millions from the government to form get out the vote groups and union thugs who push for democrat candidates.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And yet the Roman Catholic church, which aided and abetted pedophiles for decades, is STILL tax exempt.

Pulling Acorn's federal funding should be only on the grounds of proving gross mismanagement or intentional management criminal activity....these little sting operations did not prove this.....but this plus other past incidences may result in some fund curtailing.
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Ice Dancer said:
I actually agree that the gross cover-up by the hierarchy in the RC church in America was grounds for loss of all tax exemptions. In fact I think that there should be no such thing as tax exemption for any one or any group.

ACORN has already lost much of its funding and all of its status. They ought to be rigorously investigated as well. I heard that the Justice Dept is going to audit them as far back 1998? I hope they do. They, ACORN, are also closely tied to the SEIU.

Imagine, if a conservative org. got millions from the government to form get out the vote groups and union thugs who push for democrat candidates.
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What your link shows is that THROUGH LEGAL FILILINGS Unions have supported ACORN.....no evidence of "corruption" or "thuggery" outside of the supposition and conjecture of the blogs author, a Glen Beck fan and clear neocon bullhorn of the same ilk. The blogger doesn't like unions.....TFB. Without unions all the little perks the blogger had enjoyed while working for other people in his life would not exist....period. Unions are not perfect, but a smear campaign is not the way to keep them on the straight and narrow.
 
Taichiliberal said:
What your link shows is that THROUGH LEGAL FILILINGS Unions have supported ACORN.....no evidence of "corruption" or "thuggery" outside of the supposition and conjecture of the blogs author, a Glen Beck fan and clear neocon bullhorn of the same ilk. The blogger doesn't like unions.....TFB. Without unions all the little perks the blogger had enjoyed while working for other people in his life would not exist....period. Unions are not perfect, but a smear campaign is not the way to keep them on the straight and narrow.
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In LA (the state) the SEIU shares a building with ACORN as its HQ where millions of dollars pass through (an empty funeral parlor). The investigations that are under way in LA will determine what if any corruption the SEIU is involved in.

Glen Beck raises fair questions. That you have likely never watched a Glen Beck segment makes you totally unabale to pass legitimate judgement. That you choose not like him based on his ideology is fair, but does not make you a Glen Beck expert.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What your link shows is that THROUGH LEGAL FILILINGS Unions have supported ACORN.....no evidence of "corruption" or "thuggery" outside of the supposition and conjecture of the blogs author, a Glen Beck fan and clear neocon bullhorn of the same ilk. The blogger doesn't like unions.....TFB. Without unions all the little perks the blogger had enjoyed while working for other people in his life would not exist....period. Unions are not perfect, but a smear campaign is not the way to keep them on the straight and narrow.
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Ice Dancer said:
In LA (the state) the SEIU shares a building with ACORN as its HQ where millions of dollars pass through (an empty funeral parlor). The investigations that are under way in LA will determine what if any corruption the SEIU is involved in. Cool. When the investigations shakes out, then we'll know what's what. Until then, what I said above stands.

Glen Beck raises fair questions. That you have likely never watched a Glen Beck segment makes you totally unabale to pass legitimate judgement. That you choose not like him based on his ideology is fair, but does not make you a Glen Beck expert.
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Oh give me a fucking break.....Glen Beck is a lying neocon SOS who preaches half truths, exaggerations, innuendos, insinuations and out right lies to the willfully ignorant rabble. I've listened to him and all the other PNAC lackey's and buffoon for YEARS. Beck MAKES MONEY OFF OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU PREACHING NEOCON PROPAGANDA. His BS has been well documented.... before his embarassment by Whoopi on The View. These are just a few:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/09/18/cbo-debunks-beck/

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3795

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/do-glenn-beck-fans-know-about-his-lies/question-593823/


Check out the thread "Teabaggers DC follies"....these are the people Beck inspires
 
Glen Beck also has QUESTIONS about 9/11. He does not tow the neocon line. So why isn't the left going after this with the Van Jones ordeal?

Answer: Both parties of the establishment are behind the statist war machine, which kills americans to scare them into war. True story.

9/11 was obviously an inside job. Anyone who can deny that with straight face is a liar.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Oh give me a fucking break.....Glen Beck is a lying neocon SOS who preaches half truths, exaggerations, innuendos, insinuations and out right lies to the willfully ignorant rabble. I've listened to him and all the other PNAC lackey's and buffoon for YEARS. Beck MAKES MONEY OFF OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU PREACHING NEOCON PROPAGANDA. His BS has been well documented.... before his embarassment by Whoopi on The View. These are just a few:
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Glen Beck raises questions. It's assholes like you who instead of being able to answer those questions attacks him and those who say, yeah that's a fair question.
 
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