The future climate - the planet is giving us a glimpse

BartenderElite said:
Which, personally, I think is very nice of the planet.

And no - I'm not saying one weather event means anything. But, it is showing us what a likely future outcome will be. Global temps pushing and exceeding 100, the polar caps melting at accelerated rates.

Honestly, even the Green New Deal doesn't go far enough. We need a revolution in terms of energy use and conservation. It won't happen - but it's what we need. Conservatives always say that environmentalists are alarmists and have been doing the "boy cries wolf" routine for decades - but what they don't seem to realize is that most predictions about the climate and our planet have come true. We've just gotten used to the changes.
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"Weather isn't climate except when we want it to be" - global warming cultists.
 
Cypress said:
I think I read we all need to get down to a per capita carbon footprint per person of between 2 to 4 tons of emissions per year.

USA currently has far and away the most intense per capita carbon footprint per person of about 15 tons per year.

China is around 7 tons/year per person
India is around 2 tons/year per person
Japan and Germany are around 10 tons/year per person.
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Prr capita means jack and shit in this equation you laughable fuck.
 
Into the Night said:
Conductive heating has nothing to do with radiant heating.
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Ok, but they are both modes of heat transfer.


Carbon dioxide (CO2) is also an important greenhouse gas. It has a long lifetime in Earth's atmosphere. Carbon dioxide strongly absorbs energy with a wavelength of 15 μm (micrometers). This makes carbon dioxide a good absorber of wavelengths falling in the infrared radiation region of the spectrum.Dec 2, 2019

The Greenhouse Effect - CES/FAUhttp://www.ces.fau.edu › nasa › module-2 › how-

What happens to CO2 when it absorbs infrared radiation?

As CO2 soaks up this infrared energy, it vibrates and re-emits the infrared energy back in all directions. About half of that energy goes out into space, and about half of it returns to Earth as heat, contributing to the 'greenhouse effect.Feb 25, 2021

https://news.climate.columbia.edu › 2021/02/25 › carbo.."
 
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Bigdog said:
Ok, but they are both modes of heat transfer.
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No. They are both modes of heat. Heat IS transfer.
Bigdog said:
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is also an important greenhouse gas.
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No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. The term 'greenhouse gas' is a Holy Word in the Church of Global Warming. Meaningless.
Bigdog said:
It has a long lifetime in Earth's atmosphere.
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CO2 doesn't age.
Bigdog said:
Carbon dioxide strongly absorbs energy with a wavelength of 15 μm (micrometers).
This makes carbon dioxide a good absorber of wavelengths falling in the infrared radiation region of the spectrum.Dec 2, 2019
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Actually, several frequencies in the infrared band, not just 15um. Like pretty much any substance or any gas.
Bigdog said:
The Greenhouse Effect - CES/FAUhttp://www.ces.fau.edu › nasa › module-2 › how-

What happens to CO2 when it absorbs infrared radiation?
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It becomes slightly warmer, just like any substance absorbing infrared light. Absorption of these frequencies results in conversion to thermal energy. The photon is destroyed.
Bigdog said:
As CO2 soaks up this infrared energy, it vibrates and re-emits the infrared energy back in all directions.
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Nope. The photon is DESTROYED. It is gone. It does not reflect, refract, re-emit, or anything. It is GONE.
Like any substance above absolute zero in temperature, a NEW photon will be emitted as thermal energy is converted to light. This cools the emitting substance.

This action cools the surface of the Earth.
This action cools CO2 in the atmosphere.
This action cools ANYTHING on the surface or in the atmosphere.

Bigdog said:
About half of that energy goes out into space, and about half of it returns to Earth as heat
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Bigdog said:
, contributing to the 'greenhouse effect.Feb 25, 2021
https://news.climate.columbia.edu › 2021/02/25 › carbo.."
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WRONG. You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. You cannot use any gas or vapor to reduce entropy. No magick gas or vapor can reduce entropy.
 
Into the Night said:
It becomes slightly warmer, just like any substance absorbing infrared light. Absorption of these frequencies results in conversion to thermal energy. The photon is destroyed.

Like any substance above absolute zero in temperature, a NEW photon will be emitted as thermal energy is converted to light. This cools the emitting substance.


WRONG. You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. You cannot use any gas or vapor to reduce entropy. No magick gas or vapor can reduce entropy.
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Yes, you can.

"Like any substance above absolute zero in temperature, a NEW photon will be emitted as thermal energy is converted to light. "
 
Bigdog said:
Yes, you can.
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No, you can't. You might as well try to make hot coffee by using ice. Heat NEVER flows from cold to hot. You cannot reduce entropy.
Bigdog said:
"Like any substance above absolute zero in temperature, a NEW photon will be emitted as thermal energy is converted to light. "
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The photon emitted has a lower energy. You cannot heat the warmer surface using a colder gas.
 
Into the Night said:
No, you can't. You might as well try to make hot coffee by using ice. Heat NEVER flows from cold to hot. You cannot reduce entropy.


The photon emitted has a lower energy. You cannot heat the warmer surface using a colder gas.
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Yes, you can. The laws of conduction do not apply to radiant heating.

Nope, see Kirchhoff's law. There is no loss of energy.

Conduction laws are are irrelevant in radiant heating.
 
cawacko said:
I understand as Americans we can only vote in our country. But climate change is a global thing. What are we going to do with India and China?
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elimination of fiat currency, a system of spending based on debt rather than savings and investment would go a long way to helping globally

This returns a vital check and balance to government monopolies such as ours - - where civilizations are again required to essentially live within the means of the population as a whole and not live off future unborn generations as they consume so much resources


we tend to obfuscate things that are easy to understand - and often it is because we are greedy and don't want it to end.
 
zymurgy said:
elimination of fiat currency, a system of spending based on debt rather than savings and investment would go a long way to helping globally

This returns a vital check and balance to government monopolies such as ours - - where civilizations are again required to essentially live within the means of the population as a whole and not live off future unborn generations as they consume so much resources


we tend to obfuscate things that are easy to understand - and often it is because we are greedy and don't want it to end.
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fuck yes ZYMURGY!

you're my new hero.

it is so simple and quite insane that people accept the BIG LIE.
 
Bigdog said:
Yes, you can. The laws of conduction do not apply to radiant heating.
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Straw man fallacy. Neither you nor I are talking about conductive heating.
Bigdog said:
Nope, see Kirchhoff's law. There is no loss of energy.
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Straw man fallacy. No is talking about loss of energy. Energy cannot be destroyed.
Bigdog said:
Conduction laws are are irrelevant in radiant heating.
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Strawman fallacy.

Now since you want to try to pivot away from radiant heating, that means you have no counter-argument.
 
Into the Night said:
Straw man fallacy. Neither you nor I are talking about conductive heating.

Straw man fallacy. No is talking about loss of energy. Energy cannot be destroyed.

Strawman fallacy.

Now since you want to try to pivot away from radiant heating, that means you have no counter-argument.
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Nope, you are the one trying to apply conduction laws to radiant heating, not me.

You are claiming loss of energy in absorption to emission, not me.

The photon emitted has a lower energy. You cannot heat the warmer surface using a colder gas.
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zymurgy said:
elimination of fiat currency, a system of spending based on debt rather than savings and investment would go a long way to helping globally

This returns a vital check and balance to government monopolies such as ours - - where civilizations are again required to essentially live within the means of the population as a whole and not live off future unborn generations as they consume so much resources


we tend to obfuscate things that are easy to understand - and often it is because we are greedy and don't want it to end.
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Lincoln's greenbacks were susceptible to inflation because they weren't backed by gold or silver, but at least we the people didn't have to pay interest on that currency.
 
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Bigdog said:
Lincoln's greenbacks were susceptible to inflation because they weren't backed by gold or silver, but at least we the people didn't have to pay interest on that currency.
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Irrelevant. Nothing about gold or silver prevents inflation or deflation.
 
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