I've been skeptical Trump would get charged... thats changing.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1505


18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
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Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 770; Pub. L. 87–664, § 6(a), Sept. 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 551; Pub. L. 91–452, title IX, § 903, Oct. 15, 1970, 84 Stat. 947; Pub. L. 94–435, title I, § 105, Sept. 30, 1976, 90 Stat. 1389; Pub. L. 97–291, § 4(d), Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1253; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(K), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147; Pub. L. 108–458, title VI, § 6703(a), Dec. 17, 2004, 118 Stat. 3766.)
 
evince said:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1505


18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 770; Pub. L. 87–664, § 6(a), Sept. 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 551; Pub. L. 91–452, title IX, § 903, Oct. 15, 1970, 84 Stat. 947; Pub. L. 94–435, title I, § 105, Sept. 30, 1976, 90 Stat. 1389; Pub. L. 97–291, § 4(d), Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1253; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(K), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147; Pub. L. 108–458, title VI, § 6703(a), Dec. 17, 2004, 118 Stat. 3766.)
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Trump didn't submit any documentary material. There was no administration of the law being blocked. Portions of this law are unconstitutional.
 
evince said:
The immovable ones on the right here are brain dead cultists

Or

Russo bot holes

The reasonable republicans are tiring of defending an ever growing mountain of shifting lies

The racist brain dead loser base isn’t enough to win anything

The Russo bot holes can’t vote
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You are describing Democrats.
evince said:
Even fox didn’t show trumps last MAGA rally

More will peal away every day the facts are aired
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Holy Words won't help you. I guess you missed the broadcast of the rally.
evince said:
I think indictments of the criminals like trump and his butt boys like meadows will kill the Republican Party power
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Trump is not a criminal. Trump is a proper noun. It is capitalized.
evince said:
Even corps will bail if there is no viability
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Bail what? You sound like you are describing Democrats again.
evince said:
I think the bottom is falling out for the lie cult
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It already has. People know what Democrats are.
Violent, liars, cheaters, racists, bigots, socialists, tyrants, and persecutors.
People know about the Ministry of Truth as well.
 
Jarod said:
Until recently I have not seen much that would indicate any of the prosecutors in the various investigations were working toward charging Trump or any of his cronies with serious crimes however that has changed in the last few days.

The NYT today published a trove of emails about the fake elector scheme indicating that many involved not only understood it the plan was likely illegal, but that they did it anyway. The writers of the emails and planners of the "fake elector scheme" even referred to the electors as "fake" and discussed how to try to keep them hidden from Congress so they would have the element of suprise when they tried to get them pushed in to position so they could supplant the real electors.

I suspect Rudy and some of Trumps lawyers will be indicted, and if there is any link to Trump, he is going to get it also.


Additionally, the fact that a Federal Grand Jury subpoenaed Pence's Chief of Staff and the fact that he did not fight the subpoena but instead spent 8 hours testifying is something that would very much concern me if I was Trump or part of his inner circle in the days going onto January 6.

I am finally seeing how this might unfold and that some groundwork toward serious indictments is being laid down.
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Were you around for the Watergate Hearings. I remember them well. They were long and boring. The J6 committee is doing a much better job.
In the Watergate Hearings, there was a point when you knew Nixon was going down. The Butterfield testimony, the 18 minute gap in the tapes. It was all coming out. America knew Nixon's political career was finished.

That's the feeling I have now about the J6 hearings. They've turned the corner. America can see for themselves what happened. They know Trump is fucked and he ain't bailing out of this one.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Were you around for the Watergate Hearings. I remember them well. They were long and boring. The J6 committee is doing a much better job.
In the Watergate Hearings, there was a point when you knew Nixon was going down. The Butterfield testimony, the 18 minute gap in the tapes. It was all coming out. America knew Nixon's political career was finished.

That's the feeling I have now about the J6 hearings. They've turned the corner. America can see for themselves what happened. They know Trump is fucked and he ain't bailing out of this one.
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What crime?
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Were you around for the Watergate Hearings. I remember them well. They were long and boring. The J6 committee is doing a much better job.
In the Watergate Hearings, there was a point when you knew Nixon was going down. The Butterfield testimony, the 18 minute gap in the tapes. It was all coming out. America knew Nixon's political career was finished.

That's the feeling I have now about the J6 hearings. They've turned the corner. America can see for themselves what happened. They know Trump is fucked and he ain't bailing out of this one.
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Tape will do that



We have tape galore against trump
 
Getting Trump out of the picture would be great, but Trump was only the tool. Just one diseased orangutan.

Tens of millions of trumpanzees were the enablers, and if we do nothing about them, we accomplish nothing to improve our lives.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Do you condone what he did?

A president called the SoS of a state he lost and asked him to "find" just enough votes for him to win the state.

Are you okay with that?
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after democrats lied for nearly 4 years about russian absolute bullshit to stop his agenda, I really don't give a shit any more

that ship sailed long, long ago. stop acting like you have integrity, we know better
 
Democrats are pressuring Merrick Garland to make an anti-Trump case he doesn’t have
By Andrew C. McCarthy

Anyone who was willfully complicit in the use of force at the Capitol — who intended a lethal riot to happen and abetted it — should be prosecuted. But frivolous legal theories are not crimes. Sure, condemn them for being irresponsibly stupid. They’re not felonies, though — if they were, a lot of lawyers would be doing a lot of jail time.

Alas, the Democratic base wants to criminalize them. So the Justice Department is panicking. Garland knows that prosecuting Trump and such underlings as Eastman and Clark on flimsy grounds would rip the country apart. He’s also worried, however, that Biden’s left flank is poised for mutiny if there is no indictment.

The utterly unnecessary show of force in searching Eastman and Clark was meant as a demonstration to the zealots that DOJ is seriously considering an indictment of Trump et al. The problem for Garland is that such stunts just whet the left’s appetite. A fraud indictment would be a terrible idea . . . but in this disaster of an administration, the left gets to test its terrible ideas.
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https://nypost.com/2022/07/27/democrats-are-pressuring-merrick-garland-to-make-an-anti-trump-case/
 
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