The future climate - the planet is giving us a glimpse

Truth Detector said:
Priceless! We get some hot weather and the dipshits start yelling "the sky is falling!" The planet really is descending into a bunch of low IQ, gullible morons. :palm:
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Not quite true. You are part of the planet and so am I. We see these dipshits for what they are.

Illiteracy is a problem that is getting worse and worse, particularly in reading and writing, mathematics, logic, science, philosophy. Hence my moniker. The Night of Illiteracy is coming to pass.
 
Bigdog said:
Parts of the Earth absorb radiation and emit it back to the sky. CO2 absorbs radiation and emits it in any direction. The heat exchange between the two in the atmosphere, results in a higher atmospheric temperature than if the heat exchange were not present.
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No, you cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. You cannot reduce entropy. You are ignoring the 2nd law of thermodynamics again.

The surface does emit infrared light. This cools the surface. It takes energy to do that.

CO2, like pretty much any substance, does absorb infrared light and convert it to thermal energy. This does slightly warm the gas. Like any substance above absolute zero, it also converts thermal energy to electromagnetic energy (light) which also happens to be in the infrared range. It is a lower frequency, however. The gas is not as warm as the surface. It cannot heat the surface.

No atom or molecule will absorb a photon that has less energy than the atom or molecule already has.

CO2 just radiates light into space just like the surface. Just not as much light.

The practical upshot? The surface heating CO2 by radiant heat is just another way for the surface to be cooled by the atmosphere. The colder atmosphere CANNOT IN TURN HEAT THE SURFACE.
 
Bigdog said:
Yeah, based on the last 20 glaciations that have occurred since the Earth developed polar ice caps 2 million years ago, ... the relative shortness of the interglacial periods, ... and the Milankovitch cycles. It is the most sound prediction based on the best evidence we have, IMO.
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So you are guessing based on a religion.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Earth is going to be unlivable soon enough--no longer much doubt about that--but we won't last quite long enough to see it.

Urge the young people to not procreate, and that's about all we can do at this point.

Today's newborn babies have a holocaust in front of them. Abortion is a blessing to them.
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Murder is not a blessing.
 
Into the Night said:
No, you cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. You cannot reduce entropy. You are ignoring the 2nd law of thermodynamics again.

The surface does emit infrared light. This cools the surface. It takes energy to do that.

CO2, like pretty much any substance, does absorb infrared light and convert it to thermal energy. This does slightly warm the gas. Like any substance above absolute zero, it also converts thermal energy to electromagnetic energy (light) which also happens to be in the infrared range. It is a lower frequency, however. The gas is not as warm as the surface. It cannot heat the surface.

No atom or molecule will absorb a photon that has less energy than the atom or molecule already has.

CO2 just radiates light into space just like the surface. Just not as much light.

The practical upshot? The surface heating CO2 by radiant heat is just another way for the surface to be cooled by the atmosphere. The colder atmosphere CANNOT IN TURN HEAT THE SURFACE.
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You keep changing what I said. Which is pretty much your standard MO when it comes to this topic.

See Kirchhoff's radiation law. You are in a paradox.


And it is quite obvious that greenhouse gases affect the temperature. All of us know clouds do.
 
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BartenderElite said:
Which, personally, I think is very nice of the planet.

And no - I'm not saying one weather event means anything. But, it is showing us what a likely future outcome will be. Global temps pushing and exceeding 100, the polar caps melting at accelerated rates.

Honestly, even the Green New Deal doesn't go far enough. We need a revolution in terms of energy use and conservation. It won't happen - but it's what we need. Conservatives always say that environmentalists are alarmists and have been doing the "boy cries wolf" routine for decades - but what they don't seem to realize is that most predictions about the climate and our planet have come true. We've just gotten used to the changes.
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What did the MASSIVE heat wave of 1936 give us a glimpse of? u stupid goddamn idiot



What did the ICE AGE 12000 yrs ago, give us a glimpse of? u stupid goddamn idiot


What did the Medieval Warm Period from 800 to 1200 AD, give us a glimpse of? u stupid goddamn idiot
 
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Bigdog said:
You keep changing what I said.
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I cannot change what you said. I am not a moderator on this forum. What you post is on record on this forum.
Bigdog said:
Which is pretty much your standard MO when it comes to this topic.
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Nope. It simply is not possible. I cannot change what you post.
Bigdog said:
See Kirchhoff's radiation law.
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Okay.
Bigdog said:
You are in a paradox.
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LIF. You are describing yourself. You seem to be trying to ignore the Stefan-Boltzmann law in the process. BTW, it is not possible to measure the emissivity of Earth either.
Bigdog said:
And it is quite obvious that greenhouse gases affect the temperature. All of us know clouds do.
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No gas or vapor has the capability to create or destroy energy.
No gas or vapor has the capability to reduce entropy.

You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas or vapor. You CANNOT DO IT. You can't do it by conductive heating, by convective heating, or by radiant heating. You CAN'T DO IT.
 
Bigdog said:
What religion?

Al Gorians do NOT believe we are in an Icehouse Earth. Or that the Earth is due for another glacial period. :dunno:

What is your future climate prediction?
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The Son of the Church of Global Warming was resurrected again recently to say something stupid. Did you happen to catch it? He is trying to compare people who point out the Church of Global Warming as denying science are the same as Uvalde police, standing around while children were being killed.
 
Primavera said:
No it isn't, just sad that your command of the subject is so piss poor.
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LIF. You are describing yourself.

* You continue to ignore the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
* You continue to try to compare two different systems as if they were the same system.
* You continue to ignore the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
* You continue to spew random numbers as if they were data.
* You continue to try to use government bureaucracies as 'science'.
* You continue to try to prove your fundamentalist religion True.

There are YOUR problems, dude. Not mine.
 
Into the Night said:
No gas or vapor has the capability to create or destroy energy.
No gas or vapor has the capability to reduce entropy.

You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas or vapor. You CANNOT DO IT. You can't do it by conductive heating, by convective heating, or by radiant heating. You CAN'T DO IT.
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As you said, CO2 is a great conductor of heat.
 
volsrock said:
What did the MASSIVE heat wave of 1936 give us a glimpse of? u stupid goddamn idiot



What did the ICE AGE 12000 yrs ago, give us a glimpse of? u stupid goddamn idiot


What did the Medieval Warm Period from 800 to 1200 AD, give us a glimpse of? u stupid goddamn idiot
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Ahh, our resident sheet wearer trying to think under that pointy hood.

Here stupid, for your education:

Climate Change Indicators: Weather and Climate

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicat...perature is,with human-induced climate change.
 
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