MAGA GOP going out of their way to snatch midterm defeat from jaws of victory

[Joe Capitalist]

GOP going out of their way to snatch midterm defeat from jaws of victory | Thu, Jul 21
Joe Scarbourough and Mike Barnicle discuss what recent polling could mean for the 2022 midterm elections. Joe asks how "hard Republicans have to work" to lose what some see should have been an easy election year.*

https://apple.news/AbrJ4x6IVSgGpGwPMhgnfBg

 

[Joe Capitalist]

November can't come soon enough for Dems. MAGA RepubliQans are digging their own grave with their policies on guns and abortion.

 

[cawacko]

Anyone who follows politics closely know the abundance of contradictions and hypocrisy in the political world.

We've heard for awhile, largely from Democrats, about the danger of #MAGA types and the need for us to rid ourselves of them. Yet this current primary cycle Democrats spent tens of millions backing #MAGA candidates in Republican primaries. From a purely electoral perspective it makes a lot of sense. If they feel #MAGA candidates are more on the fringe, and thus more easily beatable by a Democrat in the General, it makes sense to want to run against them.

But it also totally belies the argument we need them gone because now you are helping potentially putting them in office compared to a more traditional Republican.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Anyone who follows politics closely know the abundance of contradictions and hypocrisy in the political world.

We've heard for awhile, largely from Democrats, about the danger of #MAGA types and the need for us to rid ourselves of them. Yet this current primary cycle Democrats spent tens of millions backing #MAGA candidates in Republican primaries. From a purely electoral perspective it makes a lot of sense. If they feel #MAGA candidates are more on the fringe, and thus more easily beatable by a Democrat in the General, it makes sense to want to run against them.

But it also totally belies the argument we need them gone because now you are helping potentially putting them in office compared to a more traditional Republican.

Is that really true? How many candidates are we talking about? 2-3? 20-30?

Maybe their thinking is "Get rid of them by beating them at the voting booth".

 

[cawacko]

Is that really true? How many candidates are we talking about? 2-3? 20-30?

Maybe their thinking is "Get rid of them by beating them at the voting booth".

It’s very true. I’m not sure the exact number of races, we’re not talking dozens but their goal was for Republicans to nominate in the primary people Democrats view as too extreme, and thus easier to beat in the general.

If you’re goal is to get rid of #MAGA candidates, it reasons to me you’d be happy with traditional Republicans beating them in a primary. If you support #MAGA folks winning primaries you run the risk of them winning in a red wave.

So all this talk of our democracy at risk but then back #MAGA people?

 

[cawacko]

Leaving aside the Democrats backing #MAGA candidates I’m shaking my head at a couple of these Republican Senate candidates like Walker and Oz. They’re going to fvxk up what should be a red wave

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Leaving aside the Democrats backing #MAGA candidates I’m shaking my head at a couple of these Republican Senate candidates like Walker and Oz. They’re going to fvxk up what should be a red wave

Thus, the title of my thread: MAGA GOP going out of their way to snatch midterm defeat from jaws of victory

What you described happened in my state. The RepubliQan candidate for governor has NO chance of winning.
Same for Herschel and Oz. The Dems will use MAGA, AR-15s and abortion issues to win both Senate and House.
Trump poisoned the GOP. And it doesn't help that they have extreme members like MTGazpacho, Goemert, Jordan, Gosar, Cruz, Gaetz, Boobert and the like. If you vote RepubliQan, you're giving those extremists more power. No thanks.

 

[BidenPresident]

Anyone who follows politics closely know the abundance of contradictions and hypocrisy in the political world.

We've heard for awhile, largely from Democrats, about the danger of #MAGA types and the need for us to rid ourselves of them. Yet this current primary cycle Democrats spent tens of millions backing #MAGA candidates in Republican primaries. From a purely electoral perspective it makes a lot of sense. If they feel #MAGA candidates are more on the fringe, and thus more easily beatable by a Democrat in the General, it makes sense to want to run against them.

But it also totally belies the argument we need them gone because now you are helping potentially putting them in office compared to a more traditional Republican.

maga stuff is irrelevant. Trump/GOP fascism is an ongoing problem.

 

[cawacko]

Thus, the title of my thread: MAGA GOP going out of their way to snatch midterm defeat from jaws of victory

What you described happened in my state. The RepubliQan candidate for governor has NO chance of winning.
Same for Herschel and Oz. The Dems will use MAGA, AR-15s and abortion issues to win both Senate and House.
Trump poisoned the GOP. And it doesn't help that they have extreme members like MTGazpacho, Goemert, Jordan, Gosar, Cruz, Gaetz, Boobert and the like. If you vote RepubliQan, you're giving those extremists more power. No thanks.

I’m adding to your point by saying Democrats are coming tributing to it by financially backing some #MAGA candidates. So it’s political double speak to say “I don’t want them in office while helping to fund their campaigns.”

 

[BidenPresident]

I’m adding to your point by saying Democrats are coming tributing to it by financially backing some #MAGA candidates. So it’s political double speak to say “I don’t want them in office while helping to fund their campaigns.”

I'd ask you for proof, but you're a coward and liar.

 

[cawacko]

Is that really true? How many candidates are we talking about? 2-3? 20-30?

Maybe their thinking is "Get rid of them by beating them at the voting booth".

There’s been a lot written about it but here’s a pretty in depth read on the strategy. It’s worked for Democrats in races in the past. As the article mentions the biggest failure was Hillary’s campaigning helping Trump’s campaign with the thought being no way she would lose to him.


https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/07/democrats-spend-millions-on-republican-primaries/

 

[Flash]

It’s very true. I’m not sure the exact number of races, we’re not talking dozens but their goal was for Republicans to nominate in the primary people Democrats view as too extreme, and thus easier to beat in the general.

If you’re goal is to get rid of #MAGA candidates, it reasons to me you’d be happy with traditional Republicans beating them in a primary. If you support #MAGA folks winning primaries you run the risk of them winning in a red wave.

So all this talk of our democracy at risk but then back #MAGA people?

It sounds like a dangerous strategy unless it is only occurring in competitive districts. There are only about 30 such districts left meaning the others are heavily Democratic or Republican and the primary winner of the dominant party is going to win in November. In a lot of districts the MAGA candidate has an advantage; other Republicans are afraid they have no chance unless they say they agree the election was stolen.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I’m adding to your point by saying Democrats are coming tributing to it by financially backing some #MAGA candidates. So it’s political double speak to say “I don’t want them in office while helping to fund their campaigns.”

Link? What (D)s are contributing financially to the kooks?

 

[cawacko]

Link? What (D)s are contributing financially to the kooks?

The OpenSoure article I posted earlier is probably the best one that goes over the national strategy.


Democrats spend millions on Republican primaries

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/07/democrats-spend-millions-on-republican-primaries/


Democratic meddling in GOP primaries prompts concern over elevating election deniers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/13/democrats-interference-primaries/


Democrats are bankrolling ads promoting fringe Republican candidates. Here's why

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/27/1106...s-colorado-republican-candidate-democrats-ads



What's your take? Good strategy or totally belie the claim to save democracy we need to get rid of #MAGA types (and then back financially back them)?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

What's your take? Good strategy or totally belie the claim to save democracy we need to get rid of #MAGA types (and then back financially back them)?

Thanks. I think it's probably not the most ethical thing to do, but it is not illegal either. I'm good with whatever it takes to defang the MAGA hyenas and send them back to whatever sewer they crawled out of. It's about F'ing time that the (D)s started using (R) tactics against them. Sitting around piously polishing their halos and decrying how awful the MAGATs are is useless.

 

[cawacko]

Thanks. I think it's probably not the most ethical thing to do, but it is not illegal either. I'm good with whatever it takes to defang the MAGA hyenas and send them back to whatever sewer they crawled out of. It's about F'ing time that the (D)s started using (R) tactics against them. Sitting around piously polishing their halos and decrying how awful the MAGATs are is useless.

We saw the ultimate risk of that strategy with the Hillary campaign wanting to elevate Trump thinking he was the easiest to beat.

I understand wanting to run against the more fringe candidate. Makes total sense. But if you don't want them in office, why not let them get beat in the primary so they don't even have a chance in the general?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

We saw the ultimate risk of that strategy with the Hillary campaign wanting to elevate Trump thinking he was the easiest to beat.

I understand wanting to run against the more fringe candidate. Makes total sense. But if you don't want them in office, why not let them get beat in the primary so they don't even have a chance in the general?

Maybe because they DON'T always get beat in the primaries? Hence the likes of Gaetz, Boebert, MTG, Brooks, etc.

 

[cawacko]

Maybe because they DON'T always get beat in the primaries? Hence the likes of Gaetz, Boebert, MTG, Brooks, etc.

But those are solid Red Congressional districts. Those aren't the races Democrats on spending money on because they would have no chance in the General. (It would be like Republicans putting a bunch of money into my district to beat Pelosi, an absolute waste of time/resources because no Republican is winning my district.)

They are putting the money into a handful of competitive races and in these races the traditional Republicans can win the primaries.