You are getting healthcare reform, Dammit!

Oath keepers...I just read about you folks. You're the soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen and women, coasties, border patrol ,cops, and first responders of all kinds who have taken an oath to refuse any order that abrogates the Constitution or violates the Bill of Rights.

My hat's off to you. People don't realize that the United States of America is not a physical geographical area, not a collection of cities, or even of people. IT IS AN IDEAL, EMBODIED IN THE CONSTITUTION, THE GREATEST DOCUMENT EVER DEVISED BY HUMANS, and the trampling of those ideals in the name of national security or "protecting us from terrorism" makes a mockery of the founders' design and purpose, and i'm glad to see there are people who take seriously their oath "to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic."

"Those who would give up essential liberties in order to gain a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security."

Benjamin Franklin

It is a geographical area, it is cities, it is people. It has certain ideas in it's founding document believed to be good rules of life, freedom based rules, true, this is true. But it is skin and bone, brick and mortar, soil and water. We must guard all of these against takeover by foreign powers, through allowing corrupt leadership to profitize our destruction.

Even when you try to be right, you fuck up.





:rolleyes:
 
It is a geographical area, it is cities, it is people. It has certain ideas in it's founding document believed to be good rules of life, freedom based rules, true, this is true. But it is skin and bone, brick and mortar, soil and water. We must guard all of these against takeover by foreign powers, through allowing corrupt leadership to profitize our destruction.

Even when you try to be right, you fuck up.



:rolleyes:

You fucking moron. It isn't possible for us to be taken over by any foreign power. We not only have the lmost powerful military in the world, spending more on our defense than the military budgets of the entire rest of the borld combined, we have the word's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them with pinpoint accuracy anywhere in the world, a capability nobody else has, we also have s population in excess of 300 million of the most heavily armed civilians in the world. The US Army's preferred occupation ratio of 15 soldiers on the ground for every 1000 of occupied population would require an occupation force of over 4.5 million soldiers. The countries with the world's two largest standing armies are China and India, with 2.8 million and 1.4 million soldiers under arms as we speak. I know you're bad at math, so i'll add them up for you. That's 4.2 million, 300,000 short of the minimum required occupation force, and that's not taking into account the 2 million or so that would die at the hands of our military, making a total of about 6.5 million soldiers minimum required to conquer and hold the US. Never mind that there aren't enough foreign soldiers or weapons to do the job, there isn't enough logistical support to be able to stage an invasion of that size, and never mind that we have air and sea superiority, making it impossible to transport those soldiers the thousands of miles of open sea and open skies without them being slaughtered bny our navy and air force before they even get halfway here.

I repeat: YOU FUCKING MORON. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE CAN BE CONQUERED BY ANY "FOREIGN POWER." THIS COUNTRY CAN ONLY FALL FROM THE INSIDE, BROUGHT DOWN BY PEOPLE WHO LIE TO IDIOTS LIKE YOU AND CONVINCE YOU TO VOLUNTARILY SURRENDER YOUR RIGHTS AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR "SECURITY," AND WHEN THE LAST OF THOSE RIGHTS IS GONE, SO IS AMERICA, EVEN IF ALL THE CITIES ARE STANDING UNHARMED AND THERE HAS BEEN NO LOSS OF LIFE. AMERICA WILL BE GONE IN A BLOODLESS COUP.

So no, I am not the fuck up here. Once again it is you who has no goddamn idea what you are talking about. Americas is not buildings and people and geographical area. ALL COUNTRIES HAVE THOSE, YOU DICK. WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT IS THE CONSTITUTION, AND IT'S SHITHEADS LIKE YOU THAT WILL BRING THIS COUNTRY DOWN FROM THE INSIDE BY GIVING UP THE RIGHTS THAT SET US APART, BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED SHITLESS OF A THREAT FROM THEW OUTSIDE THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST, YOU GODDAMN PANTYWAIST.

YEAH, TERRORISTS CAN KILL AMERICANS AND BLOW UP AMERICAN BUILDINGS, BUT THEY CAN'T DESTROY THIS COUNTRY. THEY WON'T HAVE TO. ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WILL DO IT FOR THEM.
 
Why? I've read the bill. I know what it says. Your claim that it doesn't prohibit denying applicants based on pre-existing conditions is not correct.

....I read what's available so far the same way Damo does....

what puzzles me is the one year time gap.....if I discover I have a serious health problem and my insurance company dumps me, isn't that year likely to be the time my bills are going to be the highest?.....yet I am not allowed to go into the government's high risk plan for a year?......
 
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You fucking moron. It isn't possible for us to be taken over by any foreign power. We not only have the lmost powerful military in the world, spending more on our defense than the military budgets of the entire rest of the borld combined, we have the word's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and the ability to deliver them with pinpoint accuracy anywhere in the world, a capability nobody else has, we also have s population in excess of 300 million of the most heavily armed civilians in the world. The US Army's preferred occupation ratio of 15 soldiers on the ground for every 1000 of occupied population would require an occupation force of over 4.5 million soldiers. The countries with the world's two largest standing armies are China and India, with 2.8 million and 1.4 million soldiers under arms as we speak. I know you're bad at math, so i'll add them up for you. That's 4.2 million, 300,000 short of the minimum required occupation force, and that's not taking into account the 2 million or so that would die at the hands of our military, making a total of about 6.5 million soldiers minimum required to conquer and hold the US. Never mind that there aren't enough foreign soldiers or weapons to do the job, there isn't enough logistical support to be able to stage an invasion of that size, and never mind that we have air and sea superiority, making it impossible to transport those soldiers the thousands of miles of open sea and open skies without them being slaughtered bny our navy and air force before they even get halfway here.

I repeat: YOU FUCKING MORON. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE CAN BE CONQUERED BY ANY "FOREIGN POWER." THIS COUNTRY CAN ONLY FALL FROM THE INSIDE, BROUGHT DOWN BY PEOPLE WHO LIE TO IDIOTS LIKE YOU AND CONVINCE YOU TO VOLUNTARILY SURRENDER YOUR RIGHTS AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR "SECURITY," AND WHEN THE LAST OF THOSE RIGHTS IS GONE, SO IS AMERICA, EVEN IF ALL THE CITIES ARE STANDING UNHARMED AND THERE HAS BEEN NO LOSS OF LIFE. AMERICA WILL BE GONE IN A BLOODLESS COUP.

So no, I am not the fuck up here. Once again it is you who has no goddamn idea what you are talking about. Americas is not buildings and people and geographical area. ALL COUNTRIES HAVE THOSE, YOU DICK. WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT IS THE CONSTITUTION, AND IT'S SHITHEADS LIKE YOU THAT WILL BRING THIS COUNTRY DOWN FROM THE INSIDE BY GIVING UP THE RIGHTS THAT SET US APART, BECAUSE YOU'RE SCARED SHITLESS OF A THREAT FROM THEW OUTSIDE THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST, YOU GODDAMN PANTYWAIST.

YEAH, TERRORISTS CAN KILL AMERICANS AND BLOW UP AMERICAN BUILDINGS, BUT THEY CAN'T DESTROY THIS COUNTRY. THEY WON'T HAVE TO. ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WILL DO IT FOR THEM.

how odd...up until now I thought you were a liberal.....now, I think you're Glenn Beck......
 
Here's a prediction, the watered down to shit bill will include mandates. Repubs will beat dems over the head with it as a massive give away to the insurance companies ala the perscription and no new taxes bullshit dems beat republicans with. Obama should grow a pair and pass meaningfull legislation.
 
Here's a prediction, the watered down to shit bill will include mandates. Repubs will beat dems over the head with it as a massive give away to the insurance companies ala the perscription and no new taxes bullshit dems beat republicans with. Obama should grow a pair and pass meaningfull legislation.

Damn! I hate to agree with Toppy.
But that is pretty much as I see it. But Toppy left out lobbyists influence.
Damn corporatists.
 
how odd...up until now I thought you were a liberal.....now, I think you're Glenn Beck......

Wrong both times, but especially the second. Beck claims the left, with the active assistance of the great socialist/communist/fascist/secret muslim/racist presidential usurper, Barack "Adolf" Obama, is going to bring down the US and turn it into a socialist or communist oligarchy (even though he can't spell it.) An oligarchy is a very real danger, but it isn't coming from the progressives or liberals, but from the fearmongers who insist security trumps rights and paint those of us who disagree with that as having an unAmerican agenda and presenting a danger to the nation because we refuse to accept the nonsense that there is any external enemy with the ability to destroy the US, and thereby present an impediment to their agenda of scaring the shit out of the American people. Why do they want to scare us? Follow the money for the answer to that...this isn't about ideology, although ideologues are being used to further the agenda. It's about power.

Like nature, power abhors a vacuum. It will be wielded, and if we the people don't wield it for our benefit, it will be wielded on us for someone else's benefit. Whose and how? Well, there isn't sufficient external military power to do the job, so what does that leave? And remember: when all other possibliities have been eliminated, whatever remains must be the truth, however improbable it may seem.
 
Wrong both times, but especially the second. Beck claims the left, with the active assistance of the great socialist/communist/fascist/secret muslim/racist presidential usurper, Barack "Adolf" Obama, is going to bring down the US and turn it into a socialist or communist oligarchy (even though he can't spell it.) An oligarchy is a very real danger, but it isn't coming from the progressives or liberals, but from the fearmongers who insist security trumps rights and paint those of us who disagree with that as having an unAmerican agenda and presenting a danger to the nation because we refuse to accept the nonsense that there is any external enemy with the ability to destroy the US, and thereby present an impediment to their agenda of scaring the shit out of the American people. Why do they want to scare us? Follow the money for the answer to that...this isn't about ideology, although ideologues are being used to further the agenda. It's about power.

Like nature, power abhors a vacuum. It will be wielded, and if we the people don't wield it for our benefit, it will be wielded on us for someone else's benefit. Whose and how? Well, there isn't sufficient external military power to do the job, so what does that leave? And remember: when all other possibliities have been eliminated, whatever remains must be the truth, however improbable it may seem.

ah, that's more like it....now I recognize the liberal again....
 
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