Republicans are generally bad for the economy

BartenderElite said:
How was Trump's 4th year?

How was it when he left office?
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* The economy had been shut down by Democrats over covid19 fear mongering. Quite a few businesses didn't survive that.
* Democrats were funding and supporting violence in American cities through burning, looting, and pillaging.
* Democrats in Congress were still chanting, "Russia, Russia, Russia!".
* Democrats were defunding and dismantling police departments.
* Democrats conducted a successful coup via election fraud and installed Biden as Chief Puppet (effectively giving Obama a 3rd term). As a result, Trump was the last President of the United States, now destroyed and replaced by The Oligarchy (Democrats).
* Trump completed a large section of border wall.
* Trump successfully renegotiated the NAFTA treaty to better favor the United States.
* Trump exposed the Democrats for what they were to the American people.
* Trump exposed news media such as the Associated Press, the NY Times, the LA Times, CNN, and MSNBC to be little more than propaganda centers run by Democrats.
* Trump removed government red tape to accelerate development of covid19 vaccine, allowing it's development in less than a year's time.
* Trump successfully renegotiated with NATO to pay it's bills for the NATO treaty.
* Trump successfully negotiated with private industry to retool and produce extra medical equipment and supplies to handle covid19 cases.
* Trump contracted covid19 and recovered in three days with little more than sniffles.
* Trump was running his re-election campaign, filling literally stadiums four and five times over with supporters. (Biden meanwhile couldn't fill a high school gymnasium)
* Trump reiterated the ongoing problems with election fraud by Democrats, warning it could be a problem, a rather prophetic statement.

Any other stupid questions?
 
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BartenderElite said:
We really can't ignore the history on this. You have to go back to Reagan's 1st term to cite a time when a Republican President actually improved the economy in a sustainable way.

Bush Sr. left us w/ a Recession, Bush Jr. left us with a crash, and Trump lost more jobs than any President in modern history.

I don't necessarily disagree w/ some of the fiscal conservatism that USED to characterize the GOP. But austerity measures in general don't work during times like this. They would have been a disaster in Obama's 1st year, when everyone on the right was saying his stimulus would lead us to a Depression. Once again, they were wrong - it ended the downward spiral Obama inherited, and spurred the longest recovery we've had in the modern era.

Fool me once, shame on you & all that. Give Biden time - it's only been a year and a half, which is hardly any time at all in economic cycles. Don't buy the Republican promise that they can "fix" anything. They never have, at least w/ economics.
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All the Republicans want is to continue to grow the wealth gap so that they can have the "handmaid's tale" world they want.
 
Grokmaster said:
Horse shit. The 2008 economelt was due , ENTIRELY to Democrat polices, starting with the CRA (Clinton), and the rescinding of long-standing exec orders blocking investment houses from dealing in mortgage=backed securities, people frmo going directly from an administration into the field they were regulating, etc.(ALSO CLINTON), and then, the placuing the US taxpayer, via Fannie & Freddie (The GSEs etc.) on the hook for all the SUBPRIME LOANS the CRA CAUSED, and investment houses full of former Clinton Adm. members invested in, then blaming it all on GW Bush.

Just like the Dunce-o-crats now try to "BLAME TRUMP" for the SHUTDOWNS THAT WERE ENTRIELY THEIR DOING, AND THE DAMAGE THEY CAUSED.
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Recession under Reagan and Bush and wars waged. 8 years of peace and prosperity under Clinton. 8 Years of prosperity under Obama.

But.. keep trying to recreate history. It's what you do!
 
Truth Detector said:
Your myopic economic views are moronic and ignore reality. Biden has done more to divide us and destroy our economic future than any of his predecessors with no hint he will retreat from massive inflationary Government spending.

As for the Trump recession, what did you think would happen when everyone demanded we shut down an entire economy over Fauci's moronic advice? That was on the Chinese you dumb fuck.

Bush Jr was handed a recession from Bill Clinton. It was due to the .com bust and had nothing to do with policy.

The 2008-2009 recession had NOTHING to do with policies Bush implemented but were the result of Democrat demands with their race hustling to give unqualified loans and a greedy unrepentant market that packaged these mortgages as safe investments.

Democrats believe they can spend their way out of recessionary periods. That's stupid. Democrats think they throw money at problems, and they will go away. That's stupid. Democrats think Government is the answer to everything. That's stupid.

What we are witnessing today is how Democrats can fuck up a perfectly good recovery in the blink of an eye. They passed trillions in wasteful spending and paid people to stay at home. They worshipped Fauci and his shut down mentality which exacerbated supply lines. Had Democrats done NOTHING, we would still be in a recovery with low gas prices and moderate inflation. Instead, these morons want to double down and pass another several trillions in spending.

What do you think happens when governments print trillions of dollars without any subsequent GDP growth to support it? Dunce. :palm:
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The only thing more ridiculous that your post is...

Nothing.
 
Truth Detector said:
Spot on. Democrats even attacked the person assigned to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2004. Republicans attempted to fix it and warned about this.

Senate Committee Hearings on Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac 2004
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GOP economic policy is to continue to grow the wealth gap. Their environmental policy is to let corporations dump poison into our waterways.

But..keep lying.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and you were stupid enough to fall for it......all it got us was a bankrupted coal industry, the destruction of health insurance and a doubled national debt.......now O'Biden wants to do the same with the oil industry.........
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It also got us destruction of the used car market, the automotive parts market, some good ole' fashioned treason through Biden and his son Hunter, an increase in racism (particularly by Obama himself), high gas prices, and an economic depression that lasted eight years.
 
Grokmaster said:
Horse shit. The 2008 economelt was due , ENTIRELY to Democrat polices, starting with the CRA (Clinton), and the rescinding of long-standing exec orders blocking investment houses from dealing in mortgage=backed securities, people frmo going directly from an administration into the field they were regulating, etc.(ALSO CLINTON), and then, the placuing the US taxpayer, via Fannie & Freddie (The GSEs etc.) on the hook for all the SUBPRIME LOANS the CRA CAUSED, and investment houses full of former Clinton Adm. members invested in, then blaming it all on GW Bush.

Just like the Dunce-o-crats now try to "BLAME TRUMP" for the SHUTDOWNS THAT WERE ENTRIELY THEIR DOING, AND THE DAMAGE THEY CAUSED.
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Oh, horse shit.

You fucking puppets will never assign blame where it is due...if the blame belongs a Republican. Frankly, I have never faired worse under a Democratic president than under a Republican one...and I think the economy in general, does better under Democratic presidents. Republicans seem to think that Government IS THE PROBLEM...so Republican government can never be of any help. And if you think that "staying out of the way" is a way to help...keep in mind that the very last thing Republican governments do...IS STAY OUT OF THE WAY.
 
And this is a good time to mention that presidents and governments in general...get way too much credit for good times...and way too much blame for bad times.

In economies as large as the kind now in operation on planet Earth...economic up swings and downturns are almost independent of governmental intrusion. Fact is, most governmental actions to control economic problems are like a brand new driver trying to keep a car on an even keel. It always seems to go too far right or two far left...and the corrections are almost always to great.
 
Frank Apisa said:
And this is a good time to mention that presidents and governments in general...get way too much credit for good times...and way too much blame for bad times.

In economies as large as the kind now in operation on planet Earth...economic up swings and downturns are almost independent of governmental intrusion. Fact is, most governmental actions to control economic problems are like a brand new driver trying to keep a car on an even keel. It always seems to go too far right or two far left...and the corrections are almost always to great.
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This is fact.

Additionally, the Fed (monetary policy) plays a huge role in our economy yet how often do we (people) actually discuss them? Very rarely. I think that occurs for two reasons. One, many people probably have little to no idea what the Fed is and what it does. Therefore makes it rather hard to discuss. The second, we don't directly vote for Fed Board members and the Chairman. So people aren't having discussions in the same regard as who we vote for President or Congress (or any state or local officials).

Thus the default falls to all credit/blame going to the President.
 
Frank Apisa said:
And this is a good time to mention that presidents and governments in general...get way too much credit for good times...and way too much blame for bad times.

In economies as large as the kind now in operation on planet Earth...economic up swings and downturns are almost independent of governmental intrusion. Fact is, most governmental actions to control economic problems are like a brand new driver trying to keep a car on an even keel. It always seems to go too far right or two far left...and the corrections are almost always to great.
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I'll throw this out there too. We (understandably) hear plenty of complaints about growing inequality. How many times have you ever heard someone point their finger at the Fed for their role in it? My guess is most people would say very few although there is plenty of research and data showing the Fed being a major driver behind it. Instead we fall back to pointing our fingers at the political parties.

I don't say this to let political parties off the hook rather we ignore a/the major driver behind the problem (the Fed) and then wonder why things don't change.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Oh, horse shit.

You fucking puppets will never assign blame where it is due...if the blame belongs a Republican. Frankly, I have never faired worse under a Democratic president than under a Republican one...and I think the economy in general, does better under Democratic presidents. Republicans seem to think that Government IS THE PROBLEM...so Republican government can never be of any help. And if you think that "staying out of the way" is a way to help...keep in mind that the very last thing Republican governments do...IS STAY OUT OF THE WAY.
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You're dumb. You're dishonest. You're a liar. You're uneducated. The notion that Democrat policies have good outcomes can only expressed by uneducated dumbasses or lying dumbasses. :palm:
 
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