To those cheering the Roe vs. Wade over turn.

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Also, it's fantastically (and sometimes willfully) ignorant to believe that the vast majority of abortions are on a nonchalant "yeah, why not" basis. Any basic research done by objective, valid sources will tell you that.

Among the structured survey respondents, the two most common reasons were "having a baby would dramatically change my life" and "I can't afford a baby now" (cited by 74% and 73%, respectively—Table 2). A large proportion of women cited relationship problems or a desire to avoid single motherhood (48%). Nearly four in 10 indicated that they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third said they were not ready to have a child. Women also cited possible problems affecting the health of the fetus or concerns about their own health (13% and 12%, respectively).‡

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

From your link:

- I CAN'T AFFORD A BABY NOW: 73%
- Relationship problems & avoiding single motherhood: 48%
- Concerns of health problems and that of the fetus: 13% and 12% respectively
- 1/3 were not ready to have a child

Nothing there that remotely indicates the "yeah, why not" reason you gave.

But here's the curious thing; you quoted
"....having a baby would dramatically change my life", cited by 74%

Yet initially your site explained that this 74% said "having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents."

This is a significant clarification that changes the conclusion and any assertions....at least for those who understand comprehensive reading as opposed to extrapolating on excerpts.

If you don't understand, get a nearby adult to explain it to you. If you do understand but insist on your misleading interpretation, then you've proven once again to be an insipidly stubborn Post Modern MAGA Fool. Carry on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

63 million.....

Without any death certificates from any M.E. in the 50 states? Puh-leeze!

 

[Taichiliberal]

The second offers the reason for the first, and the third is meant to ease anyone's mind who believes that it is possible for a total takeover of our bodies by the govt..

Hell...pot has been illegal for decades. Has there ever been a problem acquiring it?

People have been growing pot domestically (albeit clandestine) for decades. Despite the illegal shipments and such. Home made pharma for contraception would be a whole other smoke (no pun intended).

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Ahh, but the devil is in the details:

State Funding of Abortion Under Medicaid

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...under-medicaid

The details tell us tax money is being used to pay for abortions whether federal or state.

Not quite....the devil is in the details: From the link: First implemented in 1977, the Hyde Amendment, which currently forbids the use of federal funds for abortions except in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest, has guided public funding for abortions under the joint federal-state Medicaid programs for low-income people. At a minimum, states must cover those abortions that meet the federal exceptions. Although most states meet the requirements, one state is in violation of federal Medicaid law, because it pays for abortions only in cases of life endangerment. Some states use their own funds to pay for all or most medically necessary abortions, although most do so as a result of a specific court order.

33 states and the District of Columbia follow the federal standard and provide abortions in cases of life endangerment, rape and incest.
4 of these states also provide state funds for abortions in cases of fetal impairment.
4 of these states also provide state funds for abortions that are necessary to prevent grave, long-lasting damage to the person's physical health.
1 state provides abortions only in cases of life endangerment, in apparent violation of the federal standard.
16 states have a policy that directs Medicaid to pay for all or most medically necessary abortions.
7 of these states provide such funds voluntarily.
9 of these states do so pursuant to a court order.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Not getting vaccinated potentially puts others at risk of getting whichever virus the vaccine was designed to fight against.

Getting an abortion puts nobody at risk of anything.

Taking away women's right to an abortion protects nobody from anything.

Typical lame, idiotic right-wing attempt at parallel drawing.

Fail.

Again.

It's a stupid argument because it tries to ignore the FACT that the vaccines have all been "approved" under emergency conditions and WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO under normal circumstances. Also, the growing number of adverse side effects, rise in cardiovascular deaths and such AFTER getting jab are being ignored by the MSM, although it can be found in the reports by various peer reviewed and valid journals ... authored by board certified physicians and medical scientist nationally and internationally.

Big freaking difference from telling a woman that she has to bring a pregnancy to term regardless of the circumstance (unless it will kill her during delivery).

 

[LurchAddams]

you are brain dead.....

At least I have a brain, troll.

 

[LurchAddams]

1) Abortion pills are FDA approved and legal according to federal law (for the time being anyway). So the USPS, a federal agency, would have no directive to report any findings. Maybe under a Repugnant President, but even then, there's no clear indication that they could determine which packages contain them.

2) Weed and other drugs, but especially weed, is against federal law which mail carriers are forced to abide by and cooperate with federal law enforcement by reporting suspicious packages. Weed and cocaine can also be easily sniffed out by trained dogs. I can't say for sure, but I kind of doubt that a dog can be trained to tell the difference between abortion pills and blood pressure pills or diabetes pills or headache pills, etc.

3) People actually ARE using the mail to send illegal drugs to other states. I'm guessing edible cannabis products cannot be sniffed out by dogs, but I'm not sure.

You still don't think that in Alabama for example, there won't be people opening packages looking for abortion pills? Remember, abortion is illegal Federally.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

From your link:

- I CAN'T AFFORD A BABY NOW: 73%
- Relationship problems & avoiding single motherhood: 48%
- Concerns of health problems and that of the fetus: 13% and 12% respectively
- 1/3 were not ready to have a child

Nothing there that remotely indicates the "yeah, why not" reason you gave.

But here's the curious thing; you quoted
"....having a baby would dramatically change my life", cited by 74%

Yet initially your site explained that this 74% said "having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents."

This is a significant clarification that changes the conclusion and any assertions....at least for those who understand comprehensive reading as opposed to extrapolating on excerpts.

If you don't understand, get a nearby adult to explain it to you. If you do understand but insist on your misleading interpretation, then you've proven once again to be an insipidly stubborn Post Modern MAGA Fool. Carry on.

apparently the apparatchik doesn't understand that the reasons given, besides save the life of the mother, ARE "yeah why not".......none of the rest are sufficient cause to take human life.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Without any death certificates from any M.E. in the 50 states? Puh-leeze!

I know, right.....I guess you folks just don't give a shit about human life.......

 

[Flash]

Not quite....the devil is in the details: From the link: First implemented in 1977, the Hyde Amendment, which currently forbids the use of federal funds for abortions except in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest, has guided public funding for abortions under the joint federal-state Medicaid programs for low-income people. At a minimum, states must cover those abortions that meet the federal exceptions. Although most states meet the requirements, one state is in violation of federal Medicaid law, because it pays for abortions only in cases of life endangerment. Some states use their own funds to pay for all or most medically necessary abortions, although most do so as a result of a specific court order.

33 states and the District of Columbia follow the federal standard and provide abortions in cases of life endangerment, rape and incest.
4 of these states also provide state funds for abortions in cases of fetal impairment.
4 of these states also provide state funds for abortions that are necessary to prevent grave, long-lasting damage to the person's physical health.
1 state provides abortions only in cases of life endangerment, in apparent violation of the federal standard.
16 states have a policy that directs Medicaid to pay for all or most medically necessary abortions.
7 of these states provide such funds voluntarily.
9 of these states do so pursuant to a court order.

This does not conflict with my original post which simply said "some states use Medicaid funds to pay for abortions". They often have to use state Medicaid money rather than federal.

 

[Theywillneverlearn!]

Let's deconstruct your screed sentence for sentence.

1. Since the subject title and the OP deals with ABORTION and the recent SCOTUS decision to repeal Roe vs. Wade, I (and I'm sure a lot of readers) are at a lost as to how you built a bridge to the topic of "same sex" (you never clarify "same sex" what, so I won't assume what you're specifying. Big topic, ya know). Evidently, you have an axe to grind .... perhaps from some previous encounter with you under another screen name.

2 - 3. You're projecting. See #1.

3. Since anal sex wasn't mentioned or alluded to in the OP, what you say here makes no sense, much less seems rational.

4. Another wildly off topic assertion of yours. I suggest you calm down, stop drinking, resume your meds or see a therapist with your issues.

5. To any one with a high school G.E.D. reading comprehension, the OP's point is "simplistic". Your response is illogical, irrational and retaliatory and makes no sense.

6 - 8. See #5. Clearly, you have issues that go beyond the OP. I see no need to waste any further or future time and space on you.

You do not have the intelligence to even respond.

 

[Callinectes]

You are so full of shit, troll. HIPPA prohibits the release of medical info without the patient's written authorization.

You can’t see the irony in that? The so-called “right” to abortion is actually predicated upon a very real unenumerated right to privacy. Yet along comes obamacare (a GOVERNMENT entity)that is so intrusive that it has to come up with it’s own “HIPPA” law to get access to your “private” medical information because it pays the bill. Now, you don’t have to sign, but they’re not gonna pay for your addadicktome procedure or your abortion! Yet they (the fucking GOVERNMENT) will STILL know you had that abortion! So much for your precious privacy, right? BTW, did you know that as we speak, close to 90% of private practitioners are using digitalized medical records by government mandate?

You also suck donkey vaginas.

Now this is a little disappointing to me. A few weeks ago you said you were going to put me on your ignore list, which made me very happy because it signifies to me that you are basically out of intellectual ammunition and can no longer fight. But now you respond to one of my posts with “You also suck donkey vaginas” which makes you not only an abrasive, lying little asshole, but unentertaining as well. Please reconsider your decision to put me on your ignore list. I belong there and you know it.

 

[LurchAddams]

You can’t see the irony in that? The so-called “right” to abortion is actually predicated upon a very real unenumerated right to privacy. Yet along comes obamacare (a GOVERNMENT entity)that is so intrusive that it has to come up with it’s own “HIPPA” law to get access to your “private” medical information because it pays the bill. Now, you don’t have to sign, but they’re not gonna pay for your addadicktome procedure or your abortion! Yet they (the fucking GOVERNMENT) will STILL know you had that abortion! So much for your precious privacy, right? BTW, did you know that as we speak, close to 90% of private practitioners are using digitalized medical records by government mandate?



Now this is a little disappointing to me. A few weeks ago you said you were going to put me on your ignore list, which made me very happy because it signifies to me that you are basically out of intellectual ammunition and can no longer fight. But now you respond to one of my posts with “You also suck donkey vaginas” which makes you not only an abrasive, lying little asshole, but unentertaining as well. Please reconsider your decision to put me on your ignore list. I belong there and you know it.

I have no idea what this manifiesto is. I'll just tell you - you suck and fuck off, troll.

 

[Callinectes]

I have no idea what this manifiesto is

Yeah, I know. Your ignorance is part of your problem.

I'll just tell you - you suck and fuck off, troll.

Wow. Ignorant AND an obnoxious asshole! And YOU can fuck off, I’ve been here for 13 years. Was April the first time your mom gave you the Wi-Fi password?

 

[Nomad]

You still don't think that in Alabama for example, there won't be people opening packages looking for abortion pills?

Not without probable cause that there is something illegal inside....

Fourth Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

...and even then, I think it would have to be done by federal agents, not state or local LEO's.

Remember, abortion is illegal Federally.

Where do you get that idea?

There is no federal law against abortion.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
From your link:

- I CAN'T AFFORD A BABY NOW: 73%
- Relationship problems & avoiding single motherhood: 48%
- Concerns of health problems and that of the fetus: 13% and 12% respectively
- 1/3 were not ready to have a child

Nothing there that remotely indicates the "yeah, why not" reason you gave.

But here's the curious thing; you quoted
"....having a baby would dramatically change my life", cited by 74%

Yet initially your site explained that this 74% said "having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents."

This is a significant clarification that changes the conclusion and any assertions....at least for those who understand comprehensive reading as opposed to extrapolating on excerpts.

If you don't understand, get a nearby adult to explain it to you. If you do understand but insist on your misleading interpretation, then you've proven once again to be an insipidly stubborn Post Modern MAGA Fool. Carry on.

apparently the apparatchik doesn't understand that the reasons given, besides save the life of the mother, ARE "yeah why not".......none of the rest are sufficient cause to take human life.....

As the reader can see from the chronology of the posts, the Post Modern Fool cannot muster the intellectual courage to concede a point (if he actually understands such), so he essentially just parrots the SOS. Anyone with a G.E.DE. and above reading comprehension can see his folly. But PMF feels has his pride mixed into these exchanges, so like a good little MAGA minion, he NEVER admits error .... an thus reveals his stupidity and Christo-fascists mindset.

And the band played on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Without any death certificates from any M.E. in the 50 states? Puh-leeze!

I know, right.....I guess you folks just don't give a shit about human life.......

Sorry stupid, you can't bluff your way past it. You can't answer the question without admitting you're wrong on a point. And being the little man that you are, you'll just blow smoke and stamp your widdle feet ad nausea instead. Carry on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post

Not quite....the devil is in the details: From the link: First implemented in 1977, the Hyde Amendment, which currently forbids the use of federal funds for abortions except in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest, has guided public funding for abortions under the joint federal-state Medicaid programs for low-income people. At a minimum, states must cover those abortions that meet the federal exceptions. Although most states meet the requirements, one state is in violation of federal Medicaid law, because it pays for abortions only in cases of life endangerment. Some states use their own funds to pay for all or most medically necessary abortions, although most do so as a result of a specific court order.

33 states and the District of Columbia follow the federal standard and provide abortions in cases of life endangerment, rape and incest.
4 of these states also provide state funds for abortions in cases of fetal impairment.
4 of these states also provide state funds for abortions that are necessary to prevent grave, long-lasting damage to the person's physical health.
1 state provides abortions only in cases of life endangerment, in apparent violation of the federal standard.
16 states have a policy that directs Medicaid to pay for all or most medically necessary abortions.
7 of these states provide such funds voluntarily.
9 of these states do so pursuant to a court order.

This does not conflict with my original post which simply said "some states use Medicaid funds to pay for abortions". They often have to use state Medicaid money rather than federal.

And I opened with "not quite"...thus the further documented clarification of why I said that.

This is why the blanket, generalized statements of people on both sides of the issue does not serve well for the truth. Why you make the unsubstantiated claim in your last sentence in lieu of the information I post is a mystery to me. As the saying goes, the devil is in the details. Carry on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

You can’t see the irony in that? The so-called “right” to abortion is actually predicated upon a very real unenumerated right to privacy. Yet along comes obamacare (a GOVERNMENT entity)that is so intrusive that it has to come up with it’s own “HIPPA” law to get access to your “private” medical information because it pays the bill. Now, you don’t have to sign, but they’re not gonna pay for your addadicktome procedure or your abortion! Yet they (the fucking GOVERNMENT) will STILL know you had that abortion! So much for your precious privacy, right? BTW, did you know that as we speak, close to 90% of private practitioners are using digitalized medical records by government mandate?



Now this is a little disappointing to me. A few weeks ago you said you were going to put me on your ignore list, which made me very happy because it signifies to me that you are basically out of intellectual ammunition and can no longer fight. But now you respond to one of my posts with “You also suck donkey vaginas” which makes you not only an abrasive, lying little asshole, but unentertaining as well. Please reconsider your decision to put me on your ignore list. I belong there and you know it.

I wish you willfully ignorant right wing wonks would KNOW what you're talking about instead of parroting the slanted and biased BS you see and hear from the Murdoch media. Here, for your education:

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-indiv...zations that do,Workers compensation carriers

 

[Taichiliberal]

You don't know why marriage got into this? Really? It's none of the feds business just like medical treatment isn't.

You were proven wrong on one point, then you shoe horned some blather about marriage. I stated, " It has nothing to do with the OP. In fact, you want a "common law" marriage, you can. Gov't only steps in when there are kids (health & education) or when property and money is concerned (who pays for what, who inherits what, etc.).

Do you understand what "common law" means? Look it up, because its a major pin in your BS balloon. If you don't understand, get a nearby adult to explain it to you.