Germany will fire up coal plants again in effort to save natural gas

those are taxes. Projections for declining sales and a stronger ruble.
None of which are important to Europe or the USA -the idea that sanctions were supposed to strip Moscow of revenues or act as a "deterrent" are bogus as they always work out to be

Sanctions are a un-targeted sledgehammer -they did a lot of damage to Russia pre war and drove Russia
into a tight orbit with China (economic and military) and did not do anything about the war since.
Can you say "counterproductive?" - say it again till you get it

LMAO.. such neocon trash talk bought us Libya and Iraq

Iraq and Libya weren't democracies and did not share western liberal values. I never claimed we should invade Muslim countries in the hopes of imposing western civic and political values.

I am not an economic guru, but I assumed tax revenue is what funds the government budget, including the defense budget. Doesn't the rest of the gross income go to the oligarchs profit and overhead?

I am willing to consider any interim options and contingency to starve Putin's war machine. I leave it to the experts to find the correct balance to starve Putin.
 
Iraq and Libya weren't democracies and did not share western liberal values. I never claimed we should invade Muslim countries in the hopes of imposing western civic and political values.

I am not an economic guru, but I assumed tax revenue is what funds the government budget, including the defense budget. Doesn't the rest of the gross income go to the oligarchs profit and overhead?

I am willing to consider any interim options and contingency to starve Putin's war machine.
Iraq was sold on WMDs, but you recall Rumsfeld and Cheney were all about "exporting democracy"
Nationbuilding in Afghan was the same thing. Neocon= "spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun"
So when I hear the same noise about "democracy/Ukraine" a 9 alarm siren goes off in my head
~~

I have no real idea on funding the war -Russia doesnt publish a budget for fear of it being sanctioned
( as I understand it)
The big picture is crippling Russian economy from the west might force an early end to Ukraine -
but that looks like a tenuous connection.. sanctions rarely work, they hurt the USA and west as much as Russia. Biden calls it the Putin Price Hike. I can't afford to pay for "democracy" in Ukraine at this rate
 
Iraq was sold on WMDs, but you recall Rumsfeld and Cheney were all about "exporting democracy"
Nationbuilding in Afghan was the same thing. Neocon= "spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun"
So when I hear the same noise about "democracy/Ukraine" a 9 alarm siren goes off in my head
~~

I have no real idea on funding the war -Russia doesnt publish a budget for fear of it being sanctioned
( as I understand it)
The big picture is crippling Russian economy from the west might force an early end to Ukraine -
but that looks like a tenuous connection.. sanctions rarely work, they hurt the USA and west as much as Russia. Biden calls it the Putin Price Hike. I can't afford to pay for "democracy" in Ukraine at this rate

The worst apples to oranges analogy ever.

Ukraine was already a fledgling democracy, and we didn't have to invade anyone to force democracy on them.

All we are doing is helping a fledgling democracy defend itself and defend the rule of law.
 
The worst apples to oranges analogy ever.

Ukraine was already a fledgling democracy, and we didn't have to invade anyone to force democracy on them.

All we are doing is helping a fledgling democracy defend itself and defend the rule of law.
man I do believe you are a neocon at heart.
Did Hillary sellyou on Libya as well? we supported the NTC because they promised democracy.
Most Dems went for this hook line and sinker, as well as the usual Republican neocons

"spread .support, defend" it's all the same shell game - nothing there but soothing words

And I dont give a rats ass about Ukraine democracy. it's a corrupt society at war with itself
in Donbas even before da Russians
 
man I do believe you are a neocon at heart.
Did Hillary sellyou on Libya as well? we supported the NTC because they promised democracy.
Most Dems went for this hook line and sinker, as well as the usual Republican neocons

"spread .support, defend" it's all the same shell game - nothing there but soothing words

And I dont give a rats ass about Ukraine democracy. it's a corrupt society at war with itself
in Donbas even before da Russians

You cheered on an assault on our democracy, and you cheered on the attempted overturn of our election on January 6.

You have no standing to criticize Ukrainian democracy, when you support corruption and facsism of the type we saw Jan 6.


The Ukrainian election of 2019 was clean and legitimate by world standards, and hundreds of international election observers were on hand to monitor that election.

Comparing our support of Ukraine to our invasion of Iraq doesn't even pass the laugh test.
 
You cheered on an assault on our democracy, and you cheered on the attempted overturn of our election on January 6.
You have no standing to criticize Ukrainian democracy, when you support corruption and facsism of the type we saw Jan 6.
back to this again? I certainly understood the angst of SCOTUS not hearing
Tx. Vs. Pa -which they severely need to be hears as electors in one state do impact electors in other states if those electors are appoints by a corrupt process.. that needs to be heard


The Ukrainian election of 2019 was clean and legitimate by world standards, and hundreds of international election observers were on hand to monitor that election.
According to Transparency International's 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index,
(a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021,
the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine

Comparing our support of Ukraine to our invasion of Iraq doesn't even pass the laugh test.
next time you hear about "protecting Ukraine's democracy" -and I guarantee you will
you might get the parallel
 
back to this again? I certainly understood the angst of SCOTUS not hearing
Tx. Vs. Pa -which they severely need to be hears as electors in one state do impact electors in other states if those electors are appoints by a corrupt process.. that needs to be heard


According to Transparency International's 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index,
(a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021,
the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine

next time you hear about "protecting Ukraine's democracy" -and I guarantee you will
you might get the parallel

Zalensky was elected on a pledge to clean up corruption, that is why I consistently refers to them as a fledgling democracy. Our nation was extremely corrupt for the first 150 years of our democracy.

Russia is practically a fascist State at this point, and taking no steps to reduce it's corruption. Putin threw Navalny, the nation's leading crusader against corruption, into a dungeon.

You literally posted a thread cheering on the mob that sought to overthrow our Democracy on Jan 6, and you relentlessly supported Trump as he schemed to undermine our democracy.


You are the last person on this board to have any credibility ti to complaint about corruption.
 
Zalensky was elected on a pledge to clean up corruption, that is why I consistently refers to them as a fledgling democracy. Our nation was extremely corrupt for the first 150 years of our democracy.

Russia is practically a fascist State at this point, and taking no steps to reduce it's corruption. Putin threw Navalny, the nation's leading crusader against corruption, into a dungeon.

You literally posted a thread cheering on the mob that sought to overthrow our Democracy on Jan 6, and you relentlessly supported Trump as he schemed to undermine our democracy.


You are the last person on this board to have any credibility ti to complaint about corruption.
Oh please with the 1//6 drama. Zelensky is as undemocratic as any of them threatening to toss Porroshenko in jail - it's a political hit piece.. Only the courts kept him out
Worse he's banned political parties/newspapers and TV stations

this bullshit about protecting democracy is a sales job by our neocons -which unfortunately included many Dems as well as the usual Repub morons

Sitting her comparing Russia and Ukraine isn't the job of the USA.
We have no strategic interest in Ukraine . if it's borders shrank 200 miles it would not effect us at all

I dont give a rats ass about Russian democracy either..not ours to deal with

You want us to suffer the Putin Price hike and inflation over this?
The $56 billion could have been use to help our country -not a corrupt, unimportant Ukraine.

we've lowered our inventories of critical high tech weapons as well, so we can use Ukraine to kill Russians
Maybe you're good with that - maybe you just dont care - but chip shortages are making them hard to replace
 
Oh please with the 1//6 drama. Zelensky is as undemocratic as any of them threatening to toss Porroshenko in jail - it's a political hit piece.. Only the courts kept him out
Worse he's banned political parties/newspapers and TV stations

this bullshit about protecting democracy is a sales job by our neocons -which unfortunately included many Dems as well as the usual Repub morons

Sitting her comparing Russia and Ukraine isn't the job of the USA.
We have no strategic interest in Ukraine . if it's borders shrank 200 miles it would not effect us at all

I dont give a rats ass about Russian democracy either..not ours to deal with

You want us to suffer the Putin Price hike and inflation over this?
The $56 billion could have been use to help our country -not a corrupt, unimportant Ukraine.

we've lowered our inventories of critical high tech weapons as well, so we can use Ukraine to kill Russians
Maybe you're good with that - maybe you just dont care - but chip shortages are making them hard to replace
By world standards, Ukraine is a democracy and it is committed to improving itself if it genuinely wants to meet the standards of EU membeship.

You supported Trump funding the war in Yemen, so you don't really have any credibility to posture as an isolationist pacifist.

I understand you are disappointed Vlad did not conquer Ukraine in a week. But Vlad's war crimes, unprovoked aggression, and attempt to squash an emerging democracy cannot be allowed to stand. We learned that lesson the hard way from Neville Chamberlain in 1938.
 
By world standards, Ukraine is a democracy and it is committed to improving itself if it genuinely wants to meet the standards of EU membeship.

You supported Trump funding the war in Yemen, so you don't really have any credibility to posture as an isolationist pacifist.

I understand you are disappointed Vlad did not conquer Ukraine in a week. But Vlad's war crimes, unprovoked aggression, and attempt to squash an emerging democracy cannot be allowed to stand. We learned that lesson the hard way from Neville Chamberlain in 1938.

Another subject you know little about but pretend otherwise. Chamberlain should be lauded not ridiculed but that is never going to happen with you Septics!

To the extent that historians do hot-takes, considering Sir Neville Chamberlain an unsung British hero of World War II is a particularly spicy number. Nevertheless, the new Netflix film, Munich: The Edge of War, suggests that historical perceptions of Chamberlain require revision.

Munich: The Edge of War, based on a novel by British author Robert Harris, uses the September 1938 conference between Britain, France, Italy and Germany to decide the fate of Czechoslovakia as the backdrop to a plot in which two diplomats, one German and one British, former Oxford University friends, scheme to assassinate Adolf Hitler. It is no spoiler to say that the Chamberlain we see in the film is not a dupe, but a canny political operator who held no illusions about the gangsters he was dealing with.

Chamberlain does not enjoy a healthy legacy. Munich is often a synonym for diplomatic betrayal in histories of interwar Britain or British foreign policy. In the United States, cable news pundits lament political concessions to one’s opponent as an act of shameful appeasement, while ghoulish talking heads urging war against enemies real or imagined—whether Afghanistan, Iraq or, today, Russia—accuse those preferring forethought of enjoying a Munich moment. Political tracts like Guilty Men and We Were Not All Wrong, published in the first years of the war, lamented Chamberlain’s credulity towards the dictators and his failure to ready Britain for war. Winston Churchill would make similar arguments in his memoirs of the war. Poor Chamberlain had no response. He was dead from bowel cancer before 1940 was over.

Munich: Edge of War makes the case for redress. Archival records of cabinet discussions in the late 1930s show a clear-eyed understanding of Nazi duplicity. Far from quailing at the massing jackbooted Nazi hordes, Chamberlain was the architect of British rearmament. In 1936, while Chancellor of the Exchequer, he began a vast, costly modernization of the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force (RAF) and continued this policy when he became Prime Minister a year later.

In his book Britain At Bay (2020), the historian Alan Allport argues that the British prime minster was pursuing a two-pronged diplomatic strategy in which appeasement and rearmament were complementary processes. Chamberlain favored diplomacy, but is this so wrong? Even that pugnacious old bulldog, Churchill, thought “meeting jaw to jaw is better than war.” The crucial point is that Chamberlain did not shy from conflict. He simply wanted it to occur at the most advantageous moment for the country he led.

Munich: Edge of War presents viewers with a pragmatic PM who remembered that the primary obligation of a British Prime Minister is not to those living in Prague; it is to the inhabitants of places like Poplar, Pontefract and Perth. Chamberlain did ruthlessly abandon the only democracy in Central and Eastern Europe, presenting to the Czechoslovak president Edvard Benes, as fait accompli, a deal to dismember his country and hand Sudetenland, a German-speaking mountainous province bordering the Third Reich, to the Nazis. But Chamberlain and his military advisors used the months following Munich well.

Production hiccups over the construction of Spitfire and Hurricane fighters, amongst the most advanced aircraft in the world, were overcome by summer 1939. The Royal Navy grew more balanced, shifting focus from capital ships like aircraft carriers, of which Britain had nearly a dozen, to mundane vessels like mine-sweepers and escorts that would protect merchant ships supplying the British Isles with food and materiel from the Empire. Conscription augmented the tiny, 100,000-strong volunteer army. Early-warning radar stations littered the cliffs of the English Channel and the beaches of the North Sea coast. When war did erupt, Chamberlain was, in Allport’s words, a “warlord presiding over [a] military-industrial complex.”

The breathing space also gave the public time to come to terms with the looming conflict. When Chamberlain’s spoke on BBC Radio of his dismay at Britain’s entanglement in “a quarrel in a far-away country between two people of whom we know nothing,” he was evoking popular sentiment. Gallup and Mass Observation surveys indicated little desire to fight for Czechoslovakia. The Empire needed convincing as well. In 1938, Canada and South Africa had greeted with disquiet the prospect of sending their sons to die for a nation of which they really did know nothing. A year later, the Dominions were in lockstep with the metropole.

Munich: The Edge of War presents Chamberlain as a cold-blooded rationalist. If 1938 was not the moment for war, then the British PM needed to pursue peace until a more opportune moment arose. This pragmatic approach suited Britain, but it meant that Czechoslovakia was it ground underfoot by its more powerful neighbor. In 1938, it was shorn of land and industry; in early March the next year, Germany swallowed it whole. When Britain went to war six months later, it was not democratic Czechoslovakia it was defending, but fascistic, antisemitic Poland, a nation that months earlier had gleefully feasted upon the entrails of its neighbor.

The Chamberlain presented in the film is a significant reappraisal of his usual role as historical knave or villain. Shortly after the war began, influential tracts like Guilty Men charged Chamberlain with inaction, ignoring the massive military build-up of the late 1930s. Churchill agreed, adding in his memoir The Gathering Storm that had war broken out in 1938 the result would have been a swift British victory or the dispatch of Hitler by conservative, militarist Prussian Junkers who loathed the Austrian parvenu. But why trust the Junkers? Events in the 1930s, as well as more recently, show the folly in hoping leading conservatives would resist the lure of authoritarianism and side with their more liberal-minded colleagues. Chamberlain did make mistakes, seeing too late his Nazi rival’s incapacity to reason. But even here, was he really the first statesperson to not grasp that his interlocutor was, in clinic terms, bonkers?

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/182282
 
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By world standards, Ukraine is a democracy and it is committed to improving itself if it genuinely wants to meet the standards of EU membeship.

You supported Trump funding the war in Yemen, so you don't really have any credibility to posture as an isolationist pacifist.

I understand you are disappointed Vlad did not conquer Ukraine in a week. But Vlad's war crimes, unprovoked aggression, and attempt to squash an emerging democracy cannot be allowed to stand. We learned that lesson the hard way from Neville Chamberlain in 1938.
Isolationism is what the neocons throw at Americans who dont want to be in foreign wars, because they have no benefit for the USA
Try rationalist - if it matters greatly enough to the USA I'll support it
I supported Afghan war until it became more then just killing terrorists
If we had used a counterterrorism strategy instead of counterinsurgency (nationbuilding)
i'd be fine with it as al-qaeda is an existential threat

As to Yemen - do you know why KSA even got into a war with Yemen?
If you dont then you dont understand the war.
And we limit our support to logistics for KSA

But Vlad's war crimes, unprovoked aggression, and attempt to squash an emerging democracy cannot be allowed to stand. We learned that lesson the hard way from Neville Chamberlain in 1938.
OMG not the Hitler thing again..Russia couldn't strike a NATO state without getting obliterated
 
Another subject you know little about but pretend otherwise. Chamberlain should be lauded not ridiculed but that is never going to happen with you Septics!

To the extent that historians do hot-takes, considering Sir Neville Chamberlain an unsung British hero of World War II is a particularly spicy number. Nevertheless, the new Netflix film, Munich: The Edge of War, suggests that historical perceptions of Chamberlain require revision.

Munich: The Edge of War, based on a novel by British author Robert Harris, uses the September 1938 conference between Britain, France, Italy and Germany to decide the fate of Czechoslovakia as the backdrop to a plot in which two diplomats, one German and one British, former Oxford University friends, scheme to assassinate Adolf Hitler. It is no spoiler to say that the Chamberlain we see in the film is not a dupe, but a canny political operator who held no illusions about the gangsters he was dealing with.

Chamberlain does not enjoy a healthy legacy. Munich is often a synonym for diplomatic betrayal in histories of interwar Britain or British foreign policy. In the United States, cable news pundits lament political concessions to one’s opponent as an act of shameful appeasement, while ghoulish talking heads urging war against enemies real or imagined—whether Afghanistan, Iraq or, today, Russia—accuse those preferring forethought of enjoying a Munich moment. Political tracts like Guilty Men and We Were Not All Wrong, published in the first years of the war, lamented Chamberlain’s credulity towards the dictators and his failure to ready Britain for war. Winston Churchill would make similar arguments in his memoirs of the war. Poor Chamberlain had no response. He was dead from bowel cancer before 1940 was over.

Munich: Edge of War makes the case for redress. Archival records of cabinet discussions in the late 1930s show a clear-eyed understanding of Nazi duplicity. Far from quailing at the massing jackbooted Nazi hordes, Chamberlain was the architect of British rearmament. In 1936, while Chancellor of the Exchequer, he began a vast, costly modernization of the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force (RAF) and continued this policy when he became Prime Minister a year later.

In his book Britain At Bay (2020), the historian Alan Allport argues that the British prime minster was pursuing a two-pronged diplomatic strategy in which appeasement and rearmament were complementary processes. Chamberlain favored diplomacy, but is this so wrong? Even that pugnacious old bulldog, Churchill, thought “meeting jaw to jaw is better than war.” The crucial point is that Chamberlain did not shy from conflict. He simply wanted it to occur at the most advantageous moment for the country he led.

Munich: Edge of War presents viewers with a pragmatic PM who remembered that the primary obligation of a British Prime Minister is not to those living in Prague; it is to the inhabitants of places like Poplar, Pontefract and Perth. Chamberlain did ruthlessly abandon the only democracy in Central and Eastern Europe, presenting to the Czechoslovak president Edvard Benes, as fait accompli, a deal to dismember his country and hand Sudetenland, a German-speaking mountainous province bordering the Third Reich, to the Nazis. But Chamberlain and his military advisors used the months following Munich well.

Production hiccups over the construction of Spitfire and Hurricane fighters, amongst the most advanced aircraft in the world, were overcome by summer 1939. The Royal Navy grew more balanced, shifting focus from capital ships like aircraft carriers, of which Britain had nearly a dozen, to mundane vessels like mine-sweepers and escorts that would protect merchant ships supplying the British Isles with food and materiel from the Empire. Conscription augmented the tiny, 100,000-strong volunteer army. Early-warning radar stations littered the cliffs of the English Channel and the beaches of the North Sea coast. When war did erupt, Chamberlain was, in Allport’s words, a “warlord presiding over [a] military-industrial complex.”

The breathing space also gave the public time to come to terms with the looming conflict. When Chamberlain’s spoke on BBC Radio of his dismay at Britain’s entanglement in “a quarrel in a far-away country between two people of whom we know nothing,” he was evoking popular sentiment. Gallup and Mass Observation surveys indicated little desire to fight for Czechoslovakia. The Empire needed convincing as well. In 1938, Canada and South Africa had greeted with disquiet the prospect of sending their sons to die for a nation of which they really did know nothing. A year later, the Dominions were in lockstep with the metropole.

Munich: The Edge of War presents Chamberlain as a cold-blooded rationalist. If 1938 was not the moment for war, then the British PM needed to pursue peace until a more opportune moment arose. This pragmatic approach suited Britain, but it meant that Czechoslovakia was it ground underfoot by its more powerful neighbor. In 1938, it was shorn of land and industry; in early March the next year, Germany swallowed it whole. When Britain went to war six months later, it was not democratic Czechoslovakia it was defending, but fascistic, antisemitic Poland, a nation that months earlier had gleefully feasted upon the entrails of its neighbor.

The Chamberlain presented in the film is a significant reappraisal of his usual role as historical knave or villain. Shortly after the war began, influential tracts like Guilty Men charged Chamberlain with inaction, ignoring the massive military build-up of the late 1930s. Churchill agreed, adding in his memoir The Gathering Storm that had war broken out in 1938 the result would have been a swift British victory or the dispatch of Hitler by conservative, militarist Prussian Junkers who loathed the Austrian parvenu. But why trust the Junkers? Events in the 1930s, as well as more recently, show the folly in hoping leading conservatives would resist the lure of authoritarianism and side with their more liberal-minded colleagues. Chamberlain did make mistakes, seeing too late his Nazi rival’s incapacity to reason. But even here, was he really the first statesperson to not grasp that his interlocutor was, in clinic terms, bonkers?

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/182282

I am well aware that there is a line of thinking sympathetic to Chamberlain, and wrote about it back in January:

"The Edge of War"
Netflix

I rate 8.5 out of 10, if you like WW2-themed movies

Backdrop: The 1938 Munich negotiations with Hitler


The novel angle of this movie is that it ultimately paints Neville Chamberlain in a sympathetic light. The movie implies Chamberlain knew Hitler was a gangster, but the Munich agreement was his way of buying Britain a little more time to prepare it's woefully unprepared and inadequate armed forces for war.
 
But Germany has one of the highest percentages of wind and solar in their energy mix in the world. Why are those working the wonders the Greentards proclaim for them?
 
Isolationism is what the neocons throw at Americans who dont want to be in foreign wars, because they have no benefit for the USA
Try rationalist - if it matters greatly enough to the USA I'll support it
I supported Afghan war until it became more then just killing terrorists
If we had used a counterterrorism strategy instead of counterinsurgency (nationbuilding)
i'd be fine with it as al-qaeda is an existential threat

As to Yemen - do you know why KSA even got into a war with Yemen?
If you dont then you dont understand the war.
And we limit our support to logistics for KSA

OMG not the Hitler thing again..Russia couldn't strike a NATO state without getting obliterated

For whatever mistakes and sins we made, America has generally stood on the side of international law and justice when it comes to unprovoked attacks by aggressive militaristic states on their neighbors --> WW1, WW2, South Korea, Kuwait, Bosnia, Ukraine.

If you feel like sitting on the sidelines and eating popcorn while you watch the worst war crimes in Europe since Nazi Germany, that's your choice as an individual.

Just don't expect America to be a passive and aloof witness to barbaric war crimes and unprovoked military aggression.
 
I am well aware that there is a line of thinking sympathetic to Chamberlain, and wrote about it back in January:

Chamberlain was no fool as is often portrayed by the ignorant, he knew full well that England was nowhere near ready to face the onslaught of the Luftwaffe. By buying time he was able to get the Spitfire and Hurricane production lines up to full speed and also ensure that radar installations aka Chain Home on the South Coast were ready.

Go back to 1935 and Chamberlain starts pressurising for an increased defence budget, in response to the 1934 revision of the likelihood of a war within the next 10 years being recast as “likely”

In the 1936 Budget he was roundly attacked as “scaremongering” when he drastically increased the defence budget again.

Those budgets provided the very things that Churchill depended on for survival in 1940, the Chain Home Radar system, Dowdings Integrated Air Defence System and the Spitfire are the obvious ones.

What gets lost is the myriad of subtle changes he made, the Government funding of a Spitfire factory at Castle Bromwich, the “Shadow Factory” system he forced through (where major arms companies were made to show other companies how to make components in wartime so that production could be ramped up quickly - by wars end BSA in Birmingham had over 160 Shadows making components for them)

He had the rationing system designed and books pre-printed and the organisation behind it set up, distributed a gas mask to every man woman and child in the country.

He tried hard to arrange an anti-German alliance of the UK, France, Poland and Russia, that failed as the Poles would not countenance Russian Troops entering their country if they were attacked by Germany.
 
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But Germany has one of the highest percentages of wind and solar in their energy mix in the world. Why are those working the wonders the Greentards proclaim for them?

Neither battery tech nor the grid are ready. However, the decrease of winds is a huge problem as well, no one knows if this is only a temporary problem, some experts believe that decreasing winds and/or currents are a ramification of global warming, and will be a constant problem.
 
Neither battery tech nor the grid are ready. However, the decrease of winds is a huge problem as well, no one knows if this is only a temporary problem, some experts believe that decreasing winds and/or currents are a ramification of global warming, and will be a constant problem.

Battery tech will never be there, and the smart grid--as evidenced by Germany adopting it--is both unworkable and unaffordable. Solar and wind are massive losers.
 
Battery tech will never be there, and the smart grid--as evidenced by Germany adopting it--is both unworkable and unaffordable. Solar and wind are massive losers.

I am not so sure that we wont one day have the battery tech we need to do intermittent energy, but the timeline is measured in decades not years as the Save the Planet authoritarians are now counting on.
 
I am not so sure that we wont one day have the battery tech we need to do intermittent energy, but the timeline is measured in decades not years as the Save the Planet authoritarians are now counting on.

Batteries rely on chemistry. You cannot get around the periodic table. The most a single battery cell can generate in voltage is about 3 volts. The size of the cell determines ampacity. Those are fixed and known facts and aren't going to change. Batteries cost money. They are unnecessary for electrical generation systems that can generate power on demand.

Bottom line: Batteries are expensive and an added cost to systems like solar and wind that can't generate reliable power.
 
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