Germany will fire up coal plants again in effort to save natural gas

We have coal power plants right here where we have natural gas coming out our ass. Your argument fails.
Electricity generation from coal in the United States fell 20 percent in 2020 alone,
bringing it to its lowest point since 1972.

Germany has a policy of "no nukes", and no fossil fuels (transitioning fully to renewables)- Energiewende.

Aside from the un-workability and stupidity of that policy, not only did they sanction Russian LNG
(much cleaner then coal) - they have to use coal because the renewable they used failed as well!

Reason Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization Is Because They Were Never Meant To
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...use-they-were-never-meant-to/?sh=40c5b141ea2b
 
Electricity generation from coal in the United States fell 20 percent in 2020 alone,
bringing it to its lowest point since 1972.

Germany has a policy of "no nukes", and no fossil fuels (transitioning fully to renewables)- Energiewende.

Aside from the un-workability and stupidity of that policy, not only did they sanction Russian LNG
(much cleaner then coal) - they have to use coal because the renewable they used failed as well!

Reason Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization Is Because They Were Never Meant To
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...use-they-were-never-meant-to/?sh=40c5b141ea2b

Yeah, well. They had to pay a price for assisting Ukraine. Good for the Germans.
 
but Russia has more income then ever. The Ruble is higher then before the war.
You have the wrong information, and what matters is revenue, not income.

"Russian Oil, gas revenues dropped by more than half in May from April"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-spending-but-shows-how-ruble-hit-oil-revenue

And what about the existential threat of AGW climate change?
surely that's more important then "bad Putin"? we are literally "transitioning" our economy over that claim

Sanctions are notoriously fucked up - Europe hurts itself and sanctions hurt the Russian people-
not the Russian war effort
Crazy shit
Defending western democratic values, and thwarting notorious war criminals is an existential issue too. It is obviously possible to balance and manage risks on an interim basis as they arise. If it starves Vlad the War Criminal of revenue, I wouldn't even object to firing up some nuke plants if feasible. If you are going to compete against Russian dictators, you can't be a Pussy.
 
European Union leaders agree to ban 90% of Russian oil by end of year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-oil-ban-european-union/
good luck with that.'I suppose they can use tankers(pipelnes arent effected by such ban) -but that's not the point here.

The ridiculous sanctions dont stop the Russian war, or being able to pay for it, and they are counter productive to Germany's/EU transition to renewables ( another pipe dream)

we can ban Russian oil.
it was 8% of our use and we have LNG - although Biden is doing his best to fuck them both up.
Of course we get inflation greater the Europe for our principled stance :palm:

The Zelensky sanctions are stupid, won't work - Germany wont even build nukes
we've seen this movie before when they went to wood pellets
 
You have the wrong information, and what matters is revenue, not income.

"Russian Oil, gas revenues dropped by more than half in May from April"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-spending-but-shows-how-ruble-hit-oil-revenue


Defending western democratic values, and thwarting notorious war criminals is an existential issue too. It is obviously possible to balance and manage risks on an interim basis as they arise. If it starves Vlad the War Criminal of revenue, I wouldn't even object to firing up some nuke plants if feasible. If you are going to compete against Russian dictators, you can't be a Pussy.
those are taxes. Projections for declining sales and a stronger ruble.
None of which are important to Europe or the USA -the idea that sanctions were supposed to strip Moscow of revenues or act as a "deterrent" are bogus as they always work out to be

Sanctions are a un-targeted sledgehammer -they did a lot of damage to Russia pre war and drove Russia
into a tight orbit with China (economic and military) and did not do anything about the war since.
Can you say "counterproductive?" - say it again till you get it

Defending western democratic values, and thwarting notorious war criminals is an existential issue too.
LMAO.. such neocon trash talk bought us Libya and Iraq
 
:cool: Back to reality. There’s more coal than we know what to do with. Germany included. What’s more of a threat to humanity? Coal or Putin? I’ll take coal over Putins nukes and/or wars any day.
 
:cool: Back to reality. There’s more coal than we know what to do with. Germany included. What’s more of a threat to humanity? Coal or Putin? I’ll take coal over Putins nukes and/or wars any day.

If the perma frost melts humans are fucked...you do know this....RIGHT?
 
good luck with that.'I suppose they can use tankers(pipelnes arent effected by such ban) -but that's not the point here.

The ridiculous sanctions dont stop the Russian war, or being able to pay for it, and they are counter productive to Germany's/EU transition to renewables ( another pipe dream)

we can ban Russian oil.
it was 8% of our use and we have LNG - although Biden is doing his best to fuck them both up.
Of course we get inflation greater the Europe for our principled stance :palm:

The Zelensky sanctions are stupid, won't work - Germany wont even build nukes
we've seen this movie before when they went to wood pellets

Germany is having to come to terms with some harsh realities, maybe some good can come from the war? As I've told you often enough the Germans are fools, purposefully putting your energy policy in the hands of a potential enemy is foolish in the extreme.
 
Germany is having to come to terms with some harsh realities, maybe some good can come from the war? As I've told you often enough the Germans are fools, purposefully putting your energy policy in the hands of a potential enemy is foolish in the extreme.

The bigger problem is that the EU dream is dying, mostly due to mismanagement.

The citizens are nowhere near waking up to the coffee.
 
Germany will restart coal-fired power plants in order to conserve natural gas, the country’s economy minister announced Sunday, amid concerns about a looming supply shortage after Russia cut gas deliveries to Europe last week.

The move was part of a series of measures, including new incentives for companies to burn less natural gas, announced by Germany as Europe takes steps to deal with reduced energy supplies from Russia.

Since European countries imposed sanctions to punish Moscow after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February, Russia has responded by cutting off gas supplies to several European countries. Last week, Russian energy giant Gazprom also reduced flows through the Nord Stream pipeline, an important undersea link that carries gas directly to Germany.

Gazprom blamed maintenance issues for the reductions, but European leaders have called the move a political tactic by President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

“The situation is serious,” Robert Habeck, the economy minister who is also Germany’s vice chancellor, said in a statement Sunday, laying out the steps that would be taken to ensure that more gas is available to divert into storage so the country has enough to get through the winter. They include bringing back online coal-fired power plants that had been drawn down to reduce carbon emissions, although the statement did not specify how many plants would be affected.

“That’s bitter, but it’s simply necessary in this situation to lower gas usage,” said Habeck, a member of the environmentalist Greens party. “The gas storage tanks must be full by winter. That is our top priority.”

Germany has relied heavily on energy imports from Russia for decades. Last year, Russian imports accounted for 55% of the country’s natural gas supply. But after Moscow’s Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, Berlin began purchasing gas from Norway, the United States and the United Arab Emirates, reducing its purchases from Russia by about 20%.

The government has nevertheless insisted that Russian gas will be needed to ensure storage tanks are at least 90% full by November — in keeping with a law passed earlier this year to ensure a sufficient supply of natural gas, which is used largely for heating and manufacturing. One-third of Germany’s homes are heated with natural gas, while it is used for only about 15% of all electricity generation.

A law allowing a return to the use of coal in power generation is expected to pass next month. By the end of the summer, a model should be in place that would allow companies to auction gas, as part of efforts to encourage Germany’s industrial sector to reduce its reliance on the fuel.

Last week, Germany’s powerful industrial lobby, the Federation of German Industry, said companies were already switching to coal, as part of efforts to make more natural gas available for storage. Many have also been seeking alternative, more sustainable sources of energy, it said, while emphasizing that such transitions take time.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...ts-again-in-effort-to-save-natural-gas/?amp=1

But, but, solar was to power that country. Perhaps the Krauts can buy some from France who wisely kept their nuclear plants running.
 
Germany is having to come to terms with some harsh realities, maybe some good can come from the war? As I've told you often enough the Germans are fools, purposefully putting your energy policy in the hands of a potential enemy is foolish in the extreme.
I saw their Economic Minister on Fox -a sound bite.
They are headed to renewables as the answer to replace gas ( coal is short term).
not a word about nukes

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/20/ukr...to-coal-as-russia-throttles-gas-supplies.html
Germany has said the deteriorating gas market situation means Europe’s largest economy must limit the use of natural gas for electricity production and burn more coal for a “transitional period.”


Economy Minister Robert Habeck on Sunday warned that the situation is going to be “really tight in winter” without precautionary measures to prevent a supply shortage.

“The tense situation and high prices are a direct consequence of Putin’s war of aggression against Ukraine. There is no mistake. What’s more, it’s obviously Putin’s strategy to unsettle us, drive up prices and divide us. We won’t allow that. We defend ourselves resolutely, precisely and thoughtfully,” Habeck said.

“The missing quantities can still be replaced, and the gas storage tanks are still being filled, albeit at high prices. Security of supply is currently guaranteed but the situation is serious,” he added.

That’s bitter, but it’s almost necessary in this situation to reduce gas consumption. We must and we will do everything we can to store as much gas as possible in summer and autumn,” the Green Party’s Habeck said in a statement, according to a translation.

“The gas storage tanks must be full in winter. That has top priority,”
he added.
 
:cool: Back to reality. There’s more coal than we know what to do with. Germany included. What’s more of a threat to humanity? Coal or Putin? I’ll take coal over Putins nukes and/or wars any day.
China is building 1 new coal plant a week. India builds coal.
China gets to build coal plants,and then sell the rest of the world solar panels .
they have market dominance; yet Paris calls them a "developing nation"

And Biden's letting more China solar in hurts our nascent industry.
China controls the rare earths as well ( you know all this)
 
Jinneng Holding Shanxi Coal Industry had flouted strict production limits, introduced following a series of mining accidents across the country. In one month, Jinneng dug up 400 per cent more coal at one mine than had been permitted.

But the fine did little to dent Jinneng’s growth. The group produced 380mn tonnes of coal in 2021, making it the second largest coal producer in China. And the public rebuke from Shanxi’s safety regulators did not stop the provincial government from giving Jinneng the green light to ramp up coal production.

Jinneng does not just extract coal, though.
It also burns it to generate electricity and plans to build five new coal plants with a total capacity of 10GW during the current 2021-25 Five-Year Plan, according to research by data provider Global Energy Monitor. This production increase is larger than the entire existing coal power capacity in the UK.


More broadly, China’s decarbonisation drive has hit a roadblock after the delicate balance between economic growth and environmental protection has started to tip in favour of fossil fuel-powered infrastructure stimulus, following the country’s bruising coronavirus lockdowns — though these have also contributed to a (probably temporary) fall in carbon emissions since mid-2021.

Beijing is far from the only government struggling to balance energy security, economic growth and climate action. However, the problem is particularly acute in China, given the scale of its industrial base and a heavy reliance on coal.

President Xi Jinping’s announcement in 2020 that China would be carbon neutral by 2060 meant political momentum was, for a time, with environmental planners. They were endowed with fresh powers to clamp down on polluting practices.


... The high-profile nature of Xi’s carbon pledge, made at the UN, and the ensuing domestic media fanfare gave climate activists hope that the world’s largest emitter of carbon dioxide — and its second-biggest economy — was starting to restructure its carbon-intensive economic base.

The high tide for this brief era of environmental action came when the National Energy Administration received a stunning public rebuke from a high-level government body tasked by Xi to ensure that his green agenda had been implemented. In January 2021, the body criticised the NEA for its “deteriorated political ecology” and failing to control excess coal power capacity.

Beijing’s emissions targets prompted local officials to curtail coal-fired power generation. But, then, last summer, China was struck by an energy shortage as economic recovery from the first phase of the pandemic and sweltering weather drove up electricity demand. Meanwhile, a price cap on electricity meant rising costs for coal and other inputs did not dampen that demand.

The energy crunch left policymakers acutely aware of the dangers of moving too quickly away from reliable but polluting coal, which still makes up about 60 per cent of China’s total electricity generation.
In the first six weeks of this year alone, China approved 7.3GW worth of new coal-fired power plants, double the figure for the whole of 2021, according to GEM research.


“The coal industry was waiting for an opportunity to ramp up coal production and mining,” Yu says. She explains that fossil fuel giants purchase land, conduct feasibility studies and draw up construction blueprints in preparation for when policies are loosened.

Yu says coal producers feel the urge to ramp up their output before 2025, at which point Xi has pledged to decrease coal production. “Before the gate closes, the industry is pushing through as many coal projects as possible,” she says.
https://www.ft.com/content/68bc7f20-e5f9-4532-bb0f-4820783de2c2
 
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