CNN Poll: Double-digit post-speech jump for Obama plan

Cypress said:
Laws outline legislative intent Damo. It doesn't often get into details of implementation.

The US government does not willingly put itself in a position to be sued, for ignoring its own laws.

If the legislature says illegals cannot receive something -- that constitutes crystal clear legislative intent....there's not a chance in hell that the agency that implements it is going to blow that off. That legislative intent would be implemented either through rules, regulations, or administrative policy within the agency. I can guarantee you that the government doesn't willingly or intentionally set themselves up to get blown away in court in a law suit.


We all know that this is all about republicans, yet again, using the cherished myth of the undeserving brown person getting a free handout from hardworking conservative taxpayers.
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And again, it is the legislative intent not to verify in this case. In all the other entitlement programs the verification system used is outlined, in fact in 71 other entitlement programs it is. It is conspicuously missing in this particular bill, and it is conspicuous because of the fact that party-line votes have rejected the means of verification. It is simply disingenuous to try to say that this shouldn't be there.

I'll also note the weakness of your argument is underlined by your use of the race card. Race baiting is reserved for the disingenuous and uncreative minds.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't about "inability" to write a bill, it is about directly stating what is very real. If I want to say that the bill would "not allow any new CO2 emissions" I can now simply just add a nicely worded line and Ds and you will suddenly believe that I have magically removed CO2 emissions even though I don't check or enforce it....

I wish I knew that before.

While strongly wording a line about not allowing undocumented people access, it simply neglects to add anything to verify or enforce that line, in fact the Ds directly voted against adding the verification systems used by other means-tested federal programs. It doesn't matter how strongly it is worded it has no teeth and it is "creative" (at the least) to state that it will actually stop something it doesn't verify or enforce.

And I am not suddenly out of the closet, I've never once have hidden my party affiliation, that's just more direct dishonesty from you. You can't even be honest about what you know about another poster.

However being a republican doesn't mean I can't see direct apologistic actions from the person who pretends that he has no reason to be an apologist, you are simply a closet D from your actions, you support this legislation according to your actions. Come on out of the closet, there is no reason to hide there if you can't even be honest about the lack of verification and enforcement in this bill.
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I'm always honest .. maybe it's just me, but lately you've seemed to have fallen off the republican cliff and your posts have definately taken a turn to the far-right. I don't think it' just me.
 
that's funny Damo being accused of being a "far right" by a admitted Socialist..I mean ya can't get anymore left than that..well, maybe an admitted communist is more left..:cof1:
 
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meme said:
that's funny Damo being accused of being a "far right" by a admitted Socialist..I mean ya can't get anymore left than that..well, maybe an admitted communist is more left..:cof1:
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Whenever the board left wish to put Damo back on their leash they accuse him of not being himself...or of having gone off the deep end...the ol' shame him into submission ploy. :cool:
 
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