moon
Satire for Sanity
You're becoming quite adept at ridiculous analogies. Try addressing the facts- just for a bit of variation.
We have been played for fools.
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You're becoming quite adept at ridiculous analogies. Try addressing the facts- just for a bit of variation.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
the issue isn't whether Russia will defeat Ukraine......the issue is whether the rest of the world blocks any commerce with Russia until the put it back the way they found it........
Remember I said there are no half measures in war? Then LETS ROLL. Lets commit NATO to a full on war in Eastern Europe and to the victor goes the spoils. You up for THAT? Yes or no. I would be more on board with THAT then I would with this half step road to nowhere bullshit trail that we have chosen. Its either COMMIT and get it over with,....or stay out. One or the other. This shit were doing is only getting more people killed only to end up with Ukraine in rubble anyway.
We defeated the USSR in Afghanistan without ever having to commit the US military.
The Soviet Union defeated us in Vietnam without sending their army in.
My mind doesn't think as simplistically as yours. I am a student of Sun Tzu. In the art of war, you fight conflicts in the most cunning and advantageous ways possible for your interests and objectives. Sometimes you win by not even fighting, according to Master Tzu.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
the issue isn't whether Russia will defeat Ukraine......the issue is whether the rest of the world blocks any commerce with Russia until they put it back the way they found it........with Biden in charge there is little hope of that......it will be Crimea again.......and Finland will be Ukraine and Crimea again......
moon
Satire for Sanity
The example of the illegal invasion of Palestine and American support for it is evidence enough that ' we ' are looking for a payday in Ukraine. Let's not even BOTHER with vague references of chivalry.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Enough. You're a flagrant liar. Further, your attention-seeking claims to a Ukrainian background are embarrassing. Just stfu, there's a good sycophant.
Haw, haw............................haw.
those were insurgencies in Afghan that wore down the USSR and a motivated unification of all of Vietnam by the populace (S Vietnam was corrupt and woudnotfight)
Russia has a populace in Donbas that is not loyal to Kyiv
Thats great for Tzu. I find it better to fight wars with B2's and cruise missiles instead of some most likely fictitious dead general that never actually existed anyway.
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EXACTLY!
Our country is very fortunate you are not a decision maker in the nation's foreign policy establishment.
Your first suggestion was to pull a Neville Chamberlain in Munich 1938, and submit to a bully.
Your Second suggestion was even more mind-bogglingly stupid --> send NATO armies into Donbass.
^^ that would literally confirm Kremlin propaganda to the citizens of Russia, that NATO is an aggressive and existential threat to Mother Russia. All of the Russian militarily's morale and logistical problems would evaporate overnight. The fighting spirit of Russian forces would be boosted, and the nation would support a full war mobilization of the nation and Puttin putting them on a total war footing.
The reason Russian forces have made so little progress is because Russia has not mobilized nationally for war, and is trying to win a quick victory with it's relatively small peacetime contract army.
You dont fuck the dog with war. All in or not at all. If Cypress wants to fuck around with war HE should go or shut the fuck up instead of asking others to get their asses blown off. Head on over Cypress,....The Ukrainians will gladly take you in. They are now losing around 1400 troops a week and are lucky its even that low.
What does that matter?
North Vietnam had a Soviet-equipped standing army, but you must be unaware of the Tet offensive, the Easter offensive, and the 1975 offensive.
It was the NVA, not the Viet Cong who ultimately brought down the Saigon regime.
It's not for you or Russia to decide, and it's not for Russia's military to enforce their preferred solution.
The world has seen plenty of examples of separatist movements be reasonably resolved without the invasion of foreign armies. Scotland, Wales, Quebec, Slovakia, Flanders, etc.
Are you aware that civil disobedience, voting, political pressure, protest are ways of accomplishing goals without asking foreign armies to invade?
Turkey is in NATO, but they lean towards Russia in many of their policies. There has been talk of removing them from NATO by some countries.
because the VC were dismantled as a fighting force after heavy Tet losses.
But in no way was ARVN a popular supported army
when Russia's redlines are laughed off, when Ukraine became a defacto NATO state HOSTILE to Russia,
and when the west egged it all on an supported Kyiv factions to the point of being complicit in the Maidan,
that set the table for this war.
I've said many times Russia has responsibility for the invasion itself,
but the predicate for the war was all western incited -mostly by the USA..
We can't leave Cold war games alone -and this time it blew up, and we want to say
"hey we didnt do this" - but we set the table
Turkey in NATO is a lot more important to NATO security then Finland and Sweden (Turkey has issues with both) combined
You have been demanding since February 25 that Ukranians stand down, surrender, and submit.
It's not for you to decide what they should do. They want to fight, and their tenacity and pain tolerance is orders of magnitude higher than MAGA weaklings. History has bred them to be resilient and tenacious.
I would take a squad of Ukranian female soldiers over a hundred MAGA milquetoast militia.
When Ukraine decides to stop fighting, I won't demand we force them to fight. I am leaving it up to them.