Biden prohibits conversion therapy

I agree, like the bad genes in serial killers, there is no cure.

Especially when this Christian Nation prides itself in suicidal super ego sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming of the USA with Federal Lynching KKK churchstate of hate fiefdom enforcement of that Islam medical pseudoscience human reproduction fabricated virgin Mary misnomer immaculate son of Allah Jesus the Christ conception who forgives them, even for their 9/11 mass murder as there is no cure for being cross conditioned way beyond therapy in their national religion of Christiananality pedophilia.
 
Conversion therapy - quackery
Hormon injection/blockers for kids - quackery via adults projecting & foisting their emotional situation/history onto kids.

Neither a good thing.
 
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I agree, but I think it should be a decision made by the patient and their Dr.

Exactly, and not by politicians or message board wonks.

My only problem is that it seems there are a LOT of medical scientists and surgeons who are eager to test out whether can achieve certain things regarding the human condition. Like the Jeff Goldblum character in Jurassic Park said in frustration, "Your scientist were so busy asking themselves if they could, they never bothered to ask if they should!"

This, IMHO, is why you have women walking around with a gallon or more of silicone or saline in their breasts, or guys have their testicles removed and their penises cut up and folded to resemble a vagina. One has to wonder is there are doctors who are saying, "hold on a second! That's just not necessary and it could be dangerous!"
 
My only problem is that it seems there are a LOT of medical scientists and surgeons who are eager to test out whether can achieve certain things regarding the human condition. Like the Jeff Goldblum character in Jurassic Park said in frustration, "Your scientist were so busy asking themselves if they could, they never bothered to ask if they should!"

This, IMHO, is why you have women walking around with a gallon or more of silicone or saline in their breasts, or guys have their testicles removed and their penises cut up and folded to resemble a vagina. One has to wonder is there are doctors who are saying, "hold on a second! That's just not necessary and it could be dangerous!"

Unfortunately you are right. That's why IMO gender dysphoria should only be treated with psychotherapy (NOT "conversion therapy") until the person is at least 18, preferably older. All of us older ppl know how different our desires and thoughts are now compared to when we were teenagers. In the meantime if the dysphoric person wants to dress and behave like the gender they perceive themselves to be, there is no harm in it except of course for the bullying they are likely to receive.
 
there is a reason people are at the top of the food chain. but you feel free to be a rodent.

We have been at the top of the food chain for a cosmic micro millisecond. Human ego invented God so it could feel special. You aren’t. Humans will cause their own extinction and something else will take over. Religion has conned you. It has not conned me. Your ‘judgement’ is laughable. You are simply not anything special.
 
We have been at the top of the food chain for a cosmic micro millisecond. Human ego invented God so it could feel special. You aren’t. Humans will cause their own extinction and something else will take over. Religion has conned you. It has not conned me. Your ‘judgement’ is laughable. You are simply not anything special.

my dog does not concur
 
my dog does not concur

You are your dogs food source. And you pet it. The dog doesn't give two shits about you. I think it's weird that everyone anthropomorphizes everything. We're just another species. Nothing more, nothing less. Homosexuality is present in humans. It is not a disease or an abnormality. It is like the color of your eyes, or male pattern baldness. We are the result of mutations. So your declaration that homosexuality is not normal is simply a value judgement, not a scientific one.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
My only problem is that it seems there are a LOT of medical scientists and surgeons who are eager to test out whether can achieve certain things regarding the human condition. Like the Jeff Goldblum character in Jurassic Park said in frustration, "Your scientist were so busy asking themselves if they could, they never bothered to ask if they should!"

This, IMHO, is why you have women walking around with a gallon or more of silicone or saline in their breasts, or guys have their testicles removed and their penises cut up and folded to resemble a vagina. One has to wonder is there are doctors who are saying, "hold on a second! That's just not necessary and it could be dangerous!"




Unfortunately you are right. That's why IMO gender dysphoria should only be treated with psychotherapy (NOT "conversion therapy") until the person is at least 18, preferably older. All of us older ppl know how different our desires and thoughts are now compared to when we were teenagers. In the meantime if the dysphoric person wants to dress and behave like the gender they perceive themselves to be, there is no harm in it except of course for the bullying they are likely to receive.

I got into it with another poster when I related this story: My family use to babysit the next door neighbor's kids occasionally ... two girls and a boy, who was the "baby" of the family. One day we noticed that the boy was starting to emulate mannerisms of his sisters. His father reacted by laying down the law as he saw fit .... the girls did "women's work" and the boy did "mens' work" from now on, and the boy would play more with other neighborhood boys whenever possible. A bit extreme some might say, but the kid's feminine mimicking quickly faded.

Now-a-days, you have young parents (single or otherwise) who immediately assume that the kid is "dysphoric" or naturally trans-gender, and encourage such behavior. They should understand that kids naturally look to parents for guidance and be very careful not to be afraid to say no to somethings (being a good parent sometimes means being the bad guy). If a child is gay, that is going to come forth no matter how they are raised.....numerous testimonies from the gay community attest to that.
 
^ pop psych thinking is if you blanketly prohibit "female mannerisms" (roles) to a developing child/teen -it's going to cause further internal conflicts (Freudian Defense Mechanisms)

In reality kids teens, and even self aware adults are constantly making internal personality/identity adjustments.
So when they finally declare they are gay, they have done so over time and by behaviors
that underpin that declaration.

Again Bill Maher said it perfectly "kids are fluid" - self actualized people are also
(at least till you get my age of close to 70 and no longer question who I am.)

The point being a little rough parenting isn't going to damage your snowflakes inner psyche.
Our personalities (Freud's Superego) are designed to deal with real world mitigation of our immediate desires or even needs

where drug therapy, and hardening of the physical body goes along with gender ID -
the ethical thing is to challenge an individual who is going to take puberty blockers- not "affirm" that choice
 
affirm therapy looks to be aggressive in shutting out alternatives that "kids are fluid" (Bill Maher)
^I like Bill's term

Conversion therapy is probably the same - every 2 bit psychologist is a zealot for their cause.

But this is serious stuff, and we need more then just to be affirming those "fluid" kids minds
there needs to be a more rigorous rebuttal to their (kids) desires and see if they withstand it

The zealots are those who insist they know what's better for everybody else based on their own beliefs and understandings and to hell with how those people feel or believe.
 
The zealots are those who insist they know what's better for everybody else based on their own beliefs and understandings and to hell with how those people feel or believe.
well that IS a definition of a zealot -yes.

But the zealotry comes from the mindless "affirm therapy", instead of a deeper psych workup.
Im not even saying conversion therapy - both sound like biased crap
Because if a psychologist even questions blind affirmation - they get Woked on.

PC in Psychiatric medicine is rampant and determines funding
 
the idea that it is unscientific and unethical to use psychotherapy as the default treatment for gender dysphoria is demonstrably wrong. The original Dutch Protocol, which laid the foundations for pediatric gender transition, insisted on lengthy psychological prescreening of candidates before prescribing them puberty-blocking drugs.
What the Dutch experts knew then, and what researchers know now with even greater confidence, is that minors seeking transition tend to have extraordinarily high rates of mental-health problems, including anxiety, depression, attention-deficit and eating disorders, and autism.
The intuition here is simple: if kids are going to give consent to puberty blockers and cross-sex hormone injections, they should first be determined to be mentally stable and competent.
The psychological co-morbidities clinicians across the West are used to seeing in (mostly female) teenagers who show up for gender-transition procedures typically precede cross-gender identification and are thought to be in themselves the main causes of suicidality—the dreaded outcome that proponents of the affirm-only approach believe justifies allowing minors to consent to life-altering medical interventions.
Existing studies provide no evidence that affirming reduces suicidality, and a new study shows limited evidence that it might worsen the problem.

Affirm-only advocates like to say that their approach has the endorsement of “all major medical associations.” As critics have pointed out, however, the statements of these associations against psychotherapy are based on an egregious misreading of the evidence. For example, when the American Academy of Pediatrics denounced non-affirming approaches as “conversion therapy” in 2018, it based that conclusion entirely on studies done on homosexuality and omitted all relevant studies on youth gender dysphoria. It even interpreted one study as supporting the affirm-only approach, despite the fact that that study explicitly recommended “watchful waiting” (psychotherapy). No one with even superficial familiarity with the politics of gender medicine can take seriously the claim that there is an evidence-grounded consensus in favor of affirmation.

Not only that, but over the past two years medical authorities in Australia, Finland, France, the U.K., and Sweden have recommended severe limitations on affirming therapy, insisting that the evidence for this approach is tenuous at best. The Biden administration is strengthening its commitment to affirming therapy at precisely the moment when the world’s most progressive welfare states are becoming more restrained about the practice.
https://www.city-journal.org/bidens-blighted-executive-order-on-pediatric-gender-medicine

How's about prohibiting repuke influenced and gutter media sources that do nothing but engage in the barbaric nature off spreading lies and other types of and uncivilized and un-American gutter propaganda and fake and trolling sources of so-called entertainment like this crap you put here. This in a gutter troll's effort to convert the progressive nature and decency of humanity into a clump of barbaric and worthless savages at basically being slaves of the devil.
 
How's about prohibiting repuke influenced and gutter media sources that do nothing but engage in the barbaric nature off spreading lies and other types of and uncivilized and un-American gutter propaganda and fake and trolling sources of so-called entertainment like this crap you put here. This in a gutter troll's effort to convert the progressive nature and decency of humanity into a clump of barbaric and worthless savages at basically being slaves of the devil.

This national religion of Christiananality pedophilia "man is God" where the last strand of honor for SCOTUS was thrown out for the Bicentennial when it chose the Catholic Church "serve the Pope or die" business contracts of WW II of stealing & burning US Constitutions - old glorys - old testaments - absentee voting ballots to further their megalomaniacal crusade - jihad which has Russia's Orthodox Church rootin' tootin' Putin annihilation of Ukraine based on fabricated Nazi Ukraine misnomers; just as SCOTUS fabricated "Eisenhower was a war criminal" common law misnomer which set precedent for Washington, D.C. born USA citizens which were Federal Lynching KKK churchstate of hate Mengele "Angel of Death" baptized thine eyes by urinations for SCOTUS fabricated Islam misnomers insinuations & Freudian slips in their burning Bush's Arab 9/11 "death to the infidels" health care plan patriot act monopoly in survival of the fittest fascists as Putin has enacted with bungling GI Joe biding his "serve the Pope or die" time while "one nation under God with equal justice under law" kills Ukrainians.
 
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I agree, but I think it should be a decision made by the patient and their Dr.

and when?.....when they are five?.......usually we don't think decisions made by children are a good thing........or maybe you think that, like abortion, those decisions should be made by the parent for the "good" of the child.......
 
I got into it with another poster when I related this story: My family use to babysit the next door neighbor's kids occasionally ... two girls and a boy, who was the "baby" of the family. One day we noticed that the boy was starting to emulate mannerisms of his sisters. His father reacted by laying down the law as he saw fit .... the girls did "women's work" and the boy did "mens' work" from now on, and the boy would play more with other neighborhood boys whenever possible. A bit extreme some might say, but the kid's feminine mimicking quickly faded.

Now-a-days, you have young parents (single or otherwise) who immediately assume that the kid is "dysphoric" or naturally trans-gender, and encourage such behavior. They should understand that kids naturally look to parents for guidance and be very careful not to be afraid to say no to somethings (being a good parent sometimes means being the bad guy). If a child is gay, that is going to come forth no matter how they are raised.....numerous testimonies from the gay community attest to that.

While I don't agree with that dad's harshness, overall you are correct. I let my kids play with whatever toys they wanted, whether they were gender-specific or not. (No toy guns though.) The boys played with Barbies and the toy kitchen stuff briefly, but preferred more active things, usually outdoors. And the girls climbed trees, caught frogs in the creek, and played dress-up with my old stuff. My oldest g-son carried a purse around for a while (with Matchbox cars in it lol). My oldest g-daughter declared at age 13 that she was gay and really into other girls. At age 15, she was bi. She's almost 24 now and has been living with her h.s. sweetheart, a guy, for the last four years. He is, in fact, the only person she's been with.

Few of us have any clue about who we are till we're older.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I got into it with another poster when I related this story: My family use to babysit the next door neighbor's kids occasionally ... two girls and a boy, who was the "baby" of the family. One day we noticed that the boy was starting to emulate mannerisms of his sisters. His father reacted by laying down the law as he saw fit .... the girls did "women's work" and the boy did "mens' work" from now on, and the boy would play more with other neighborhood boys whenever possible. A bit extreme some might say, but the kid's feminine mimicking quickly faded.

Now-a-days, you have young parents (single or otherwise) who immediately assume that the kid is "dysphoric" or naturally trans-gender, and encourage such behavior. They should understand that kids naturally look to parents for guidance and be very careful not to be afraid to say no to somethings (being a good parent sometimes means being the bad guy). If a child is gay, that is going to come forth no matter how they are raised.....numerous testimonies from the gay community attest to that.


While I don't agree with that dad's harshness, overall you are correct. I let my kids play with whatever toys they wanted, whether they were gender-specific or not. (No toy guns though.) The boys played with Barbies and the toy kitchen stuff briefly, but preferred more active things, usually outdoors. And the girls climbed trees, caught frogs in the creek, and played dress-up with my old stuff. My oldest g-son carried a purse around for a while (with Matchbox cars in it lol). My oldest g-daughter declared at age 13 that she was gay and really into other girls. At age 15, she was bi. She's almost 24 now and has been living with her h.s. sweetheart, a guy, for the last four years. He is, in fact, the only person she's been with.

Few of us have any clue about who we are till we're older.

I haven't a clue as to how boy & girl siblings are raised, as my cousins from uncles and aunts were all one gender kid(s). So you and I might disagree on details, we're pretty much on the same page.
 
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