What will the Healthcare bill BHO signs look like?
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PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
it won't cover illegal aliens....
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
As I've been saying since Obama was elected .. he is only interested in healthcare tweaking, not real reform.
His bill will not have a public option, thus, it's useless.
They've essentially said as much . and have now morphed from single-payer to public option to a "trigger."
Don't get played .. AGAIN.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
since the libs have strong opinions about things with triggers, I presume it will have a Congress-proof safety lock?.....
I'm pretty much in agreement with this, if anything is passed this is what it will likely look like.
BAC, are you under the impression that a President with more "conviction" would be able to get a public option passed?
Let's say Kucinich had gotten elected; would he have been able to pass a public option right now?
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
I think we can utterly discount any sort of strong public option due to intense insurance lobbying against it. Which means the bill will do nothing to control costs, but it will provide universal coverage.
uscitizen
Villified User
Kucinich had he got elected would not have even been able to pass gas.
My company employs 40K people of which it provides copay coverage of the employees. Being in finance and HR I can assure you they are watering at the mouth at the potential to have a public option so they can raise premiums and copay's to point that people start electing to opt out of the corp plan thus saving them millions to the bottom line.
The reason a public option was rejected is because its obvious what it is. Dont lie to us and say well you will have the option so why wouldn't you like it. Thats Bush SSI privatization bullshit. The option would not last long when companies slowly nudged employees to the public plan.
The reason a public option was rejected is because its obvious what it is. Dont lie to us and say well you will have the option so why wouldn't you like it. Thats Bush SSI privatization bullshit. The option would not last long when companies slowly nudged employees to the public plan.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Obama could get a public option if he had the balls and/or willingness to do it.
He has the reigns of the party with a super-majority to boot. This should have been his highest priority. He wasted capital on the bailouts that nobody understands and few agree with.
He has NEVER truly been behind the public option and was pushed by Hillary Clinton to even say the words "single-payer." He's only talking about it now because once again, he's being pushed.
If he can't get it done .. along with the many other things he can't get done .. in this environment with a super-majority .. what good is he?
Is symbolism and good speeches all you get for your money?
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
It won't get that far.
This thing is dead in the water. Repubs won't go along. Dems won't go it alone because they won't want to be solely responsible for the catastrophe it will cause.
Because you libs ignore reality, you can't factor it into your procedural models.
The republicans actually have all the power.
This thing is dead in the water. Repubs won't go along. Dems won't go it alone because they won't want to be solely responsible for the catastrophe it will cause.
Because you libs ignore reality, you can't factor it into your procedural models.
The republicans actually have all the power.
"Obama could get a public option if he had the balls and/or willingness to do it."
Seriously - that is strangely out of touch with reality. No amount of willingness on Obama's part is going to switch blue dog votes.
You lose me when you start arguing this point. There is no President right now, in this climate, no matter how much integrity, conviction & willingness you think he had, who could change the congressional reality of this situation. It's silly to just say "the Dems have the majority, and can do anything they want." You are discounting the fact that they are also individuals, and are not harmonious on the public option.
Seriously - that is strangely out of touch with reality. No amount of willingness on Obama's part is going to switch blue dog votes.
You lose me when you start arguing this point. There is no President right now, in this climate, no matter how much integrity, conviction & willingness you think he had, who could change the congressional reality of this situation. It's silly to just say "the Dems have the majority, and can do anything they want." You are discounting the fact that they are also individuals, and are not harmonious on the public option.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
I can get behind a public option if it is handled in a couple ways.
1) private insurer accountability - if a private insurer cancels coverage because a person got sick or has a pre-existing condition that wasn't mentioned before, that insurer should pay for one years worth of premiums on the public option.
2) I have a real issue with the mandatory insurance and fine crap. The mandatory auto insurance laws were not made to protect any private individual and intimating that it was is pure unadulterated bullshit. it is the same reason for wanting to make health insurance mandatory, it comes down to nothing but money. it's BS.
1) private insurer accountability - if a private insurer cancels coverage because a person got sick or has a pre-existing condition that wasn't mentioned before, that insurer should pay for one years worth of premiums on the public option.
2) I have a real issue with the mandatory insurance and fine crap. The mandatory auto insurance laws were not made to protect any private individual and intimating that it was is pure unadulterated bullshit. it is the same reason for wanting to make health insurance mandatory, it comes down to nothing but money. it's BS.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
I'm pretty certain they just aren't going to allow such practices anymore.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and i'm pretty sure that just like the credit card reform act, companies will find loopholes. instead of letting companies get creative with the law, just make it so that if coverage is cancelled, this is what they pay.
uscitizen
Villified User
And you think that an insurance company would not cut a sweet deal to keep a 40K member policy?
Or pursue the individuals with sweet COBRA policies?
Or what about the touted fact that employers offer benefits to attract quality employees?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
how's this for reform....insurance companies are required to offer everyone the same policy and same premium that it offers to it's 40k member customers.....