Russia threatens to wipe out the entire US with just four Satan II missiles

Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed Ukraine can't win. Ukraine can fight until the Russians leave. What they can't do is invade Russia and hope to win.

Disagreed on dog. Letting Putin run roughshod over Europe is not in our best interests.
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not talking about Europe here. really just UKR and mainly only parts there.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yes, I do have a problem with liars, especially lying politicians. Just saying "Oh, Dutch. They all lie" doesn't cut it.

Not me, the DNC says so: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41850797
The Democratic Party's ex-interim chief has accused Hillary Clinton of seizing control of the party in exchange for funding during the 2016 campaign.
Donna Brazile alleges in her new book that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) signed a deal with Clinton's team to keep the party financially afloat.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017
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Donna Brazile. :palm:

No progressive bias there. :rolleyes:

This excerpt from The Atlantic says all there is to say about the DNC's preference for HRC:

"The fact that the Democratic Party apparatus would lean toward Clinton—a former senator and first lady, the wife of a former Democratic president, and part of a family whose patronage had largely shaped the current party—over Sanders, who didn’t even serve as a Democrat in the Senate, was not a shock."

That's all that needs to be known.

Any financial agreement between her and the DNC is unimportant given that nothing in the written agreement said anything about guaranteeing her the nomination.

That is just speculation.

Also, if you have a problem with liars, there have been questions raised about the truthfulness of Brazile's own claims regarding when she found out about whatever it was.

Gee, she couldn't have been interested in generating book sales, could she?

Nothing you or she says changes the fact that HRC was the best candidate for the nomination due to her extraordinarily high qualifications.

Now go cry about it to someone who cares.
 
Celticguy said:
not talking about Europe here. really just UKR and mainly only parts there.
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not our war. and Germany isn't providing weapons they promised.
So why should we do all the weaponization?

and yes Putin cant even take Kyiv - this talk about "Russian expansion" into NATO states
is just fearmongering
 
Celticguy said:
im more pro UKR. they are getting slaughtered and their country reduced to rubble because we want to poke Putin with a stick.

They cannot win, its just a matter of lose by how much.

We have no dog in this fight at all.
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Zelensky seems to understand this, but goes back into "send us more weapons" mode while his country is reduced to rubble. I cant blame him too much,
but other more rational minds in Europe should be demanding/pushing a ceasefire/talks
Instead the war has become about taking down Putin/ degrading Russian military
 
Celticguy said:
Because he's done what he said he would do re UKR. We have been doing most of the lying here.
Yes, along with NATO.
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no doubt NATO expansion/Uk militarization is the predicate that set up this war
Still Putin has to be held responsible for the invasion. I understand why he did it - Ukraine was becoming a NATO state in everything but name and Putin has warned for years that is a "redline"

If only our Cold Warriors wern't doing what they did, or Biden would have listened to the Lavrov concerns;
but events took on a momentum that nobody wanted to check
 
dukkha said:
Zelensky seems to understand this, but goes back into "send us more weapons" mode while his country is reduced to rubble. I cant blame him too much,
but other more rational minds in Europe should be demanding/pushing a ceasefire/talks
Instead the war has become about taking down Putin/ degrading Russian military
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he painted himself into a corner. if he quits, he's history. we really screwed him as he truely believed we would make it all happen for him.
 
dukkha said:
no doubt NATO expansion/Uk militarization is the predicate that set up this war
Still Putin has to be held responsible for the invasion. I understand why he did it - Ukraine was becoming a NATO state in everything but name and Putin has warned for years that is a "redline"

If only our Cold Warriors wern't doing what they did, or Biden would have listened to the Lavrov concerns;
but events took on a momentum that nobody wanted to check
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the left needed to keep Russia as the bad guy for strictly political reasons. and because China said so.
 
Celticguy said:
the left needed to keep Russia as the bad guy for strictly political reasons. and because China said so.
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it's not just the left.
The Republican establishment dines out on Russiaphobia as well

Look at Clinton's Russian hoax against Trump....works everytime
 
volsrock said:
A threat that has never happened before till Biden
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The missiles were introduced in 2018, after trump withdrew from missile treaties. It was an odd decision by trump to withdrawal from the treaties, but not to build new missiles. It was almost like he was taking instruction from Putin.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
How many times a day do you have to change your Depends?

I'm not worried about the fucking Russians ending the world. Why are you?
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Because I'm a lot closer to CENTCOM than your dumbass. Russia will for sure nuke CENTCOM. If our missile protection fails.

All other things supposed to be fed protection fails, so why wouldn't that?
 
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