Dutch Uncle
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Just in from Fox News: Biden calls 9mm ‘high-caliber weapons,’ suggests banning them
He'll never pass a ban in today's environment.
He'll never pass a ban in today's environment.
Biden calls 9mm ‘high-caliber weapons,’ suggests banning them
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not likely, but he hurts his case by making things up. but he's ignorant and senile so I guess he doesnt know any different.
Dutch Uncle
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It does make him look out of touch. Did you complain about previous president's fuck ups? Most of them are old geezers.
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Isn't a 40 caliber bullet more powerful than a 9mm?
Does Biden think a .222, a .22-250 or a .220 Swift bullet will lodge in a lung and they can get it out? They're all considered .22s too .Really?
And yes, any American could own a cannon (or any other weapon of war) if they chose when the 2nd. Amendment was written because there was no longer a standing Army.
A .38 Special is more powerful than a 9mm.
So yes, the .40 S&W is much more powerful (depending on the load, but still more powerful) than a 9mm.
Matt Dillon
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I'd say so.
Matt Dillon
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No. .38 Special is not more powerful than 9mm. 9mm> .38 Special.
Same weight bullet? 9mm has more velocity. Ergo 9mm> .38 Special.
.357 Magnum is more powerful than 9mm.
ExpressLane
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9mm > .38 cal. Its much faster.
Matt Dillon
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.40>9mm>.38 Special
.40 cal has that bullet weight and a decent velocity.
I would not want to catch any of them. All big bullets that would hurt.
My pistol is a .38 Special, and it'll kill ya. It doesn't have the energy of a 9mm or .40 cal pistol, but if you run into me with it, that will not make you any less dead.
That's my 3rd favorite shooting gun. I know where them bullets are going to go.
I can hit a quarter with that thing.
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The .38 is more powerful than the 9mm. That is a fact. It has a larger case and the bullet is .002 larger in diameter.
The .38 is capable of higher velocities than the 9mm. That is also a fact.
The .357 (the actual dia. of both the .38 and .357 bullet). is more powerful than the .38. The .357 has a longer case than the .38. A .38 can be fired in a .357.
Nope. The 9mm has a much smaller case, so it can't hold as much powder as the .38.
The 9mm fires a .355 dia bullet, the .38 (and .357 mag.) fire a .357 dia. bullet.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
RB.. just no..
.38 special is an intermediary round from the black powder days. Are the bullets bigger? Yes! Do they pack more energy than 9mm? No!
There is no ".38 Special ACP", brah.
I like the band though. Even though they got their start stealing Lynyrd Skynyrd's equipment.
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Dutch Uncle
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It's not caliber (diameter) of the bullet per se but the amount of powder behind it. F = MA Force equals Mass times Acceleration. Newton's Second Law of Motion.
Consider the .45 and 9mm cartridges, a large controversy back in the day when the US military switched to 9mm for ammunition commonality. The .45 is slower but bigger while the 9mm is smaller but faster. They come out to be about the same in the F = MA formula.
The problem comes with penetration; if a bullet punches through a target and keeps going it takes that energy with it. The 9mm tends to penetrate further (or through) while the .45 leaves more of its energy on the target. If shooting at windshields, penetration is good, but if shooting at soft targets, it's not. I like the .45 for home defense. I often carry either of those two for semi-auto or a .38 revolver. It depends.
https://www.diffen.com/difference/.45_ACP_vs_9mm
A 9mm is generally cheaper, has less recoil and higher velocity than a .45 ACP. The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge holds bullets that have a diameter of .452 inches (11.5mm) so it is slightly larger than the 9mm (.355 inch bullets). Both cartridges have a long history and were first designed over 100 years ago...
...Penetration
A 9mm averages between 8” and 15.9” penetration. However, the Winchester FMJ has a penetration of 24.5” and the Doubletap JFN+P trail defense has a penetration of 40”. The cartridge expands to approximately 0.35 to 0.72”.
A .45 averages about 11.3”-14.3” penetration. However, the Remington FMJ has 27” penetration. The cartridge expands to an average of 0.75” inches, but the Remington FMJ expands to 0.45”.
https://tacdynamics.com/end-the-debate-9mm-versus-45-acp-versus-whatever/
Look up the ballistic charts and loads. You'll find I'm correct.
For the 9 mm vs 38 Spl debate…it’s a good article and scientifically/physically sound.
http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm_vs_.38special.php
From the article:
There’s a great chart for the varying bullet weights, speed and foot pounds at impact there too. I like both cartridges BTW. Have both. Have carried both. To each his own.
http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm_vs_.38special.php
From the article:
There’s a great chart for the varying bullet weights, speed and foot pounds at impact there too. I like both cartridges BTW. Have both. Have carried both. To each his own.
ExpressLane
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I have and you are wrong even a .38 special + P is less powerful than most 9 mm
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
However, it can hold much more volatile high-pressure smokeless powder than the .38 Special.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
I know this.
Know that this is paraphrasing, but .38 Special +P = 950-1050 FPS
Regular 9mm= 1150+ fps.
ExpressLane
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You would think because the shell is bigger that it is also more powerful. But it isn't. The 9 mm is more powerful . Look it up if you think we are wrong. I own a couple .38 and a couple 9 mm and a .40 cal I like them all and they all will do the job.
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