Do mentally healthy people commit mass murder?

Hawkeye10 said:
Healthy societies dont have large numbers of mass killings as we do.

We are sick.
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they say we've had 21 mass killing since the first of the year.......that of course is subject to how you define "mass killings".......but I think we have to admit that out of 350M people, 21 isn't a "large number"....every time this happens the people close to them say "we had no idea" yet we find there were plenty of reasons why they should have.....we should be able to deal with this problem by being more cognizant of the warning signs......
 
AProudLefty said:
Good question. Were the Nazi officers mentally ill?
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Hitler was certainly a nutjob and nutjobs are magnets for other nutjobs. Notice that many of his top officers, and the entire SS corps, were wackadoodles.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evil-deeds/201412/how-mad-was-hitler
How Mad was Hitler?
What motivated Adolf Hitler's destructive behavior?
Who would deny Hitler's evil genius for destructiveness? Typically--but not always--these diabolical individuals die at an unusually young age, laid low by their overweening arrogance, hubris, and unholy alliance with evil." Such people, including charismatic religious cult leaders like Jim Jones, David Koresh, Osama bin Laden, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi and others, can further be understood as manifesting a "messiah complex" (see my prior post).

They become inflated by a grandiose identification with the Messiah archetype present within each of us. Because of this grandiose self-image and elevated mood alternating with periods of despair and emotional outbursts of crying or rage, as in Hitler's case, such individuals are commonly perceived to be suffering from some type of bipolar disorder (see my prior post). Indeed, much of Hitler's documented behavior and demeanor appears to corroborate such a retrospective diagnosis, his mania or hypomania masking a chronic underlying state of despair, sadness and rage.
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https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/alois-maria-ott-i-was-hitler-s-psychologist
Alois Maria Ott: I Was Hitler's Psychologist
...Hitler, “a lump of misery,” was unshaven, miserable, and distracted. Rudolf Hess found him in a very low emotional state, expecting to be shot as a revolutionary (and which, of course, he was to do to so many who opposed him). When the investigators arrived, he demonstrated the histrionic behavior that was such a feature of his personality. He would either remain silent, “acted fresh, or broke out into crying fits.”8 His shouts and screams could be heard all over the building....

...The news that Hitler was treated by a psychologist is intriguing. Many would consider him to be the least likely person to respond to psychotherapy. A number of reasons can be considered for the success of Ott’s intervention. Hitler was at an early stage of his political career, just one among many right-wing politicians in Bavaria, with no guarantee that he would succeed in his political goals. Second, the penalty he faced in the forthcoming trial could include lengthy imprisonment or deportation. Third, the rampant megalomania he displayed once he came to power was in its early stages—he was the drummer, not the leader of the forthcoming revolution. Fourth, the presentation was characterized by his suicidal threats, a persistent response when facing adversity until his end in the bunker.
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I've noticed that all these crazed mass-murderers have guns. There must be a simple solution.
 
moon said:
I've noticed that all these crazed mass-murderers have guns. There must be a simple solution.
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Suicide bombers, Ms. Moon? Your people made that a mainstay. How many of your people have murdered innocent men, women and children?

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Rune said:
All welcome except LurchAddams.
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Every society produces mentally unhealthy people. Some societies produce more than others, though. The US, for instance, seems to produce more than other wealthy nations, which you can see in things like drug abuse rates, suicide rates, violent crime rates, etc.

We should definitely take a long hard look at why that is, and how we can lower the rate at which people in this country crack. Maybe that's about expanding access to high-quality healthcare, or securing more free time for people, or reducing pollution. Or maybe there's something about religion in this country that drives people batty (we are unusually religious by wealthy-nation standards, and our least religious states tend to be in the best shape).

But, I wouldn't put too much hope on addressing mass murder by way of improving mental health. Even the best of nations have people crack up and kill. So, one factor we need to think about is the force multiplier of guns. If you have guns readily at hand, when people crack up, the chances of them killing people --and the chances of them killing a lot of people-- goes way up.

For example, the same day as Sandy Hook another young man cracked up, armed himself, and went to an elementary school with the intent of killing as many people as possible. But, in that case, it was in a country where it's hard to get your hands on a gun, so he grabbed a knife, instead, and nobody died. Some kids were left with scars, but none of the injuries were life threatening..... most managed to flee his reach, and the man was tackled before he could kill anyone.

Gun control is probably the quickest and surest way to reduce mass murder.
 
Mina said:
Every society produces mentally unhealthy people. Some societies produce more than others, though. The US, for instance, seems to produce more than other wealthy nations, which you can see in things like drug abuse rates, suicide rates, violent crime rates, etc.

We should definitely take a long hard look at why that is, and how we can lower the rate at which people in this country crack. Maybe that's about expanding access to high-quality healthcare, or securing more free time for people, or reducing pollution. Or maybe there's something about religion in this country that drives people batty (we are unusually religious by wealthy-nation standards, and our least religious states tend to be in the best shape).

But, I wouldn't put too much hope on addressing mass murder by way of improving mental health. Even the best of nations have people crack up and kill. So, one factor we need to think about is the force multiplier of guns. If you have guns readily at hand, when people crack up, the chances of them killing people --and the chances of them killing a lot of people-- goes way up.

For example, the same day as Sandy Hook another young man cracked up, armed himself, and went to an elementary school with the intent of killing as many people as possible. But, in that case, it was in a country where it's hard to get your hands on a gun, so he grabbed a knife, instead, and nobody died. Some kids were left with scars, but none of the injuries were life threatening..... most managed to flee his reach, and the man was tackled before he could kill anyone.

Gun control is probably the quickest and surest way to reduce mass murder.
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The simple truth is that only sick people murder.
The US has the poorest mental health care of any industrial nation.
It just isn't a priority.
Until it is we will to suffer.
 
Mina said:
Every society produces mentally unhealthy people. Some societies produce more than others, though. The US, for instance, seems to produce more than other wealthy nations, which you can see in things like drug abuse rates, suicide rates, violent crime rates, etc.

We should definitely take a long hard look at why that is, and how we can lower the rate at which people in this country crack. Maybe that's about expanding access to high-quality healthcare, or securing more free time for people, or reducing pollution. Or maybe there's something about religion in this country that drives people batty (we are unusually religious by wealthy-nation standards, and our least religious states tend to be in the best shape).

But, I wouldn't put too much hope on addressing mass murder by way of improving mental health. Even the best of nations have people crack up and kill. So, one factor we need to think about is the force multiplier of guns. If you have guns readily at hand, when people crack up, the chances of them killing people --and the chances of them killing a lot of people-- goes way up.

For example, the same day as Sandy Hook another young man cracked up, armed himself, and went to an elementary school with the intent of killing as many people as possible. But, in that case, it was in a country where it's hard to get your hands on a gun, so he grabbed a knife, instead, and nobody died. Some kids were left with scars, but none of the injuries were life threatening..... most managed to flee his reach, and the man was tackled before he could kill anyone.

Gun control is probably the quickest and surest way to reduce mass murder.
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The simple truth is that only sick people murder.
The US has the poorest mental health care of any industrial nation.
It just isn't a priority.
Until it is we will suffer.
 
Rune said:
The simple truth is that only sick people murder.
The US has the poorest mental health care of any industrial nation.
It just isn't a priority.
Until it is we will to suffer.
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Do you have specific policy idea for addressing that?
 
BidenPresident said:
Texas, for instance, ranks last of all 50 states in overall access to mental health care, according to the nonprofit Mental Health America. The ranking is based on available data on measures such as the shares of adults and children with mental health issues who have been unable to receive treatment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...issues-gun-violence-but-dont-fund-healthcare/
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Why do you leave out that ultra Dem Calif is #1 in mass shootings, and Obama's Illinois is #2?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Agreed. What potential causes can we identify?

I'd suggest these for starters:

Emasculation of men
Single parent families mostly headed by a woman
85%+ of all K - 12 teachers are women
The shift to the radical Left in education
Woke culture
Political correctness
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:thup:

The U.S. leads the world in FATHERLESSNESS.

We didn't have this mass shooting surge until these feminized Millenial Bidenesque males were created.
 
Bigdog said:
:thup:

The U.S. leads the world in FATHERLESSNESS.

We didn't have this mass shooting surge until these feminized Millenial Bidenesque males were created.
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used to be morally unacceptable to have children out of wedlock.
children need parentS (plural). cant always work out, people dies etc but thats the social model that WORKS.
 
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