Was it Cowardice by Police in the Texas school shooting?

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signalmankenneth

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'Cowards': Uvalde Cops Face America's Wrath Over Bungled Shooting Response

Sure as hell looks like it?!!

Police are facing heavy criticism and being labeled "cowards" for their response to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, this week.

A total of 19 children, two adults and the alleged shooter Salvador Ramos were killed amid the shooting on Tuesday. Outrage has erupted online and on cable news after it was revealed that local police went inside the building minutes after the gunman entered unchallenged but quickly retreated and took cover. Ramos was killed by border patrol agents more than an hour later.

Texas Department of Public Safety (TDPS) Lieutenant Chris Olivarez told CNN that police did not engage with Ramos further due to concerns that they would have taken fire and officers "could have been shot." The word "cowards" trended on Twitter in reference to the police after news of the delay emerged.

"The Uvalde police were a bunch of gutless cowards who shamed their badges," British TV personality Piers Morgan
https://twitter.com/x/status/1530240448706629638
on Friday. "Heads should roll, and some of them should be charged with criminal negligence. They let those kids die."

https://www.newsweek.com/cowards-uv...-wrath-over-bungled-shooting-response-1711103
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There is cause for outrage. But even so, it's most likely that the shooter had already done his work within minutes, and then barricaded himself in that classroom. It's hard to say that going in earlier would have made much difference.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
There is cause for outrage. But even so, it's most likely that the shooter had already done his work within minutes, and then barricaded himself in that classroom. It's hard to say that going in earlier would have made much difference.
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No it is not hard to say.... once the situation had been neutralized all of the kids and parents would have known that the carnage was over, the kids would have gotten out, the trauma would have been over.

This went on and on and on.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
No it is not hard to say.... once the situation had been neutralized all of the kids and parents would have known that the carnage was over, the kids would have gotten out, the trauma would have been over.

This went on and on and on.
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Thanks, from our man on the scene in Uvalde. :rolleyes:

Blaming the cops may be justified, but the real blame lies on our legislators who think it's perfectly fine for anyone to buy a weapon of mass destruction, no questions asked, and over a thousand rounds of ammunition.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
There is cause for outrage. But even so, it's most likely that the shooter had already done his work within minutes, and then barricaded himself in that classroom. It's hard to say that going in earlier would have made much difference.
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Police are trained to engage the shooter in cases like this even if you are by yourself, you don't wait for backup?!! The little children were asking for help, by texting and calling 911, and you had wounded that might have lived too if it were not for the delayed response by police?!! I personally think there were scared to engage the shooter?!!
 
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ThatOwlWoman said:
Thanks, from our man on the scene in Uvalde. :rolleyes:

Blaming the cops may be justified, but the real blame lies on our legislators who think it's perfectly fine for anyone to buy a weapon of mass destruction, no questions asked, and over a thousand rounds of ammunition.
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"RUN!"
 
signalmankenneth said:
'Cowards': Uvalde Cops Face America's Wrath Over Bungled Shooting Response

Sure as hell looks like it?!!

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It was a mixture of cowardice and racism. The kids were just not white enough or rich enough or speak English enough to be saved. Had this same tragedy occurred in a wealthy area of San Antonio, the cops would have rushed in like they were supposed to have done in Uvalde.

Poor kids... just were born to the wrong parents and didn't have enough cash to avoid being cut to pieces by a military rifle that should never have been on the street.

Republicans are demons. They and only they are responsible for this tragedy. Fuck them and their missing souls.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
There is cause for outrage. But even so, it's most likely that the shooter had already done his work within minutes, and then barricaded himself in that classroom. It's hard to say that going in earlier would have made much difference.
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No, my friend. Kids, still alive were calling 911 from inside the classroom begging the cowardly cops to come in.

It would have made huge difference, the killing of the 19 kids took about an hour. Getting in earlier would have made a gigantic difference. The cops just didn't think getting shot for Hispanic kids was worth it.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Thanks, from our man on the scene in Uvalde. :rolleyes:

Blaming the cops may be justified, but the real blame lies on our legislators who think it's perfectly fine for anyone to buy a weapon of mass destruction, no questions asked, and over a thousand rounds of ammunition.
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Both share blame. The Republicans for jerking off to guns and the cops in Uvalde for letting the kids die and doing nothing.
 
signalmankenneth said:
Police are training to engage the shooter in cases like this even if you are by yourself, you don't wait for backup?!! The little children were asking for help, by texting and calling 911, and you had wounded that might have lived too if it were not for the delayed response by police?!! I personally think there were scared to engage the shooter?!!
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Yep. Owl Woman just doesn't want to believe the cops could be so evil. I can't blame her. Unfortunately, the cops in Uvalde are that evil.
 
LurchAddams said:
It was a mixture of cowardice and racism. The kids were just not white enough or rich enough or speak English enough to be saved. Had this same tragedy occurred in a wealthy area of San Antonio, the cops would have rushed in like they were supposed to have done in Uvalde.

Poor kids... just were born to the wrong parents and didn't have enough cash to avoid being cut to pieces by a military rifle that should never have been on the street.

Republicans are demons. They and only they are responsible for this tragedy. Fuck them and their missing souls.
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You realize most of the cops there were Hispanic right?
 
Stone said:
You realize most of the cops there were Hispanic right?
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Oh, yeah, dude. I know the area. You know who wasn't Hispanic? The white bosses who ordered the cops to stand down, while the little kids in the killbox on the other side of the door where the cowardly cops were standing for an hour were living their last hour in terror.

Seriously fuck you if your don't apologize here. I'm so done with fucks like you!
 
LurchAddams said:
Yep. Owl Woman just doesn't want to believe the cops could be so evil. I can't blame her. Unfortunately, the cops in Uvalde are that evil.
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Chief of police is Hispanic too. Unless you think that the almost all Hispanic police force there is racist against its own people you are wayyyyyyyyyyy off track AGAIN.
 
LurchAddams said:
Oh, yeah, dude. I know the area. You know who wasn't Hispanic? The white bosses who ordered the cops to stand down, while the little kids in the killbox on the other side of the door where the cowardly cops were standing for an hour were living their last hour in terror.

Seriously fuck you if your don't apologize here. I'm so done with fucks like you!
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The Chief is the Boss,...he is Hispanic. You are talking out of your ass again.
 
Stone said:
Chief of police is Hispanic too. Unless you think that the almost all Hispanic police force there is racist against its own people you are wayyyyyyyyyyy off track AGAIN.
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No. I saw the people doing the press conferences. They were NOT Hispanic. You have one more chance. I'm going to look at your next post. If its the same as this pile of troll you're going on ignore.

I really want to make friends here. But your lack of empathy for these poor kids.. I mean. Just fuck you. I know your next post is going to be lowbrow.

You really could have learned stuff from me. Have fun shitting all over yourself for the rest of your sorry life, troll.
 
No, it wasn't "cowardice." It was a combination of institutional incompetence, inability to act on less than perfect information, and bureaucratic inertia.

What this amounts to is the 'management' on-scene had imperfect information and followed bureaucratic procedures. They thought the shooter was barricaded and alone. They were wrong. So, they sat waiting for overwhelming material and support to arrive before making a move. This was done largely on the "safety above everything" principle. Better to wait and be cautious than storm the guy and take him out having a casualty or two in doing so.

The rank and file on-scene were unwilling to act without management approval for fear it could cost them their job if they made a mistake. The officers were used to working in a 'mistake free' environment where any misstep could cost a promotion or get them fired. That's how much of America is today, not just law enforcement.

So, the result was that they sat for an hour not knowing two students were trapped with the shooter, dithering. I've seen it repeatedly. It almost always makes the situation worse, often results in more lives and cost, and is always a sign of bureaucratic stagnation and incompetence. But it isn't "cowardice." The officers waiting to go in would in a moment regardless of risk. They just couldn't because their managers were bureaucrats not leaders.

The comparison that might be made here is they were led by a "Montgomery" versus needing to be lead by a "Patton."
 
LurchAddams said:
Oh, yeah, dude. I know the area. You know who wasn't Hispanic? The white bosses who ordered the cops to stand down, while the little kids in the killbox on the other side of the door where the cowardly cops were standing for an hour were living their last hour in terror.

Seriously fuck you if your don't apologize here. I'm so done with fucks like you!
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A man named Rodriguez gave the order.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
A man named Rodriguez gave the order.
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I don't want to Hawk. But I'm going to put you on ignore if you don't, right now, show some sympathy for those kids and teachers. This is your moment Hawk. Show me and everyone here you actually have a soul.

If you do anything else next but talk about how sorry you are for what happened on Tuesday, you and I will never talk again. And you know what?

It'll be your loss.

As you say often: Be better.
 
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