Is there any measurable way the country does better with Republican presidents?

[Into the Night]

The problem with the current Republican party is they have no ideas.

Supporting the Constitution of the United States is not a good idea? Enforcing the law is not a good idea? Getting government out of the way of conducting business is not a good idea?

They can't govern, they can't lead.

They obviously can, and they have. Trump most recently.

All they can do is harness racist rage for their own ends.

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

All they are are culture war propagandists,

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

dividing the country to keep us weak.

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

Republicans are the Nazi party of the 21st Century.

The Nazi party was destroyed in WW2. The United States is not Germany. Nazis were fascists, a form of socialism, like the Democrats. Indeed, the Democrats continually interfere with markets.
Biden is currently interfering with energy markets, the automotive market, the housing market, the rail and trucking markets, and the shipping market. That's all fascism, dude.

Fascism is government manipulation of markets. Communism is government ownership of markets. Both are forms of socialism. Both are being implemented by Democrats. Both are theft of wealth.

 

[LurchAddams]

Supporting the Constitution of the United States is not a good idea? Enforcing the law is not a good idea? Getting government out of the way of conducting business is not a good idea?

They obviously can, and they have. Trump most recently.

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

The Nazi party was destroyed in WW2. The United States is not Germany. Nazis were fascists, a form of socialism, like the Democrats. Indeed, the Democrats continually interfere with markets.
Biden is currently interfering with energy markets, the automotive market, the housing market, the rail and trucking markets, and the shipping market. That's all fascism, dude.

Fascism is government manipulation of markets. Communism is government ownership of markets. Both are forms of socialism. Both are being implemented by Democrats. Both are theft of wealth.

LOL "the constitution". You use that as an excuse for everything. You could give a fuck about The Constitution. If you did, Democrats wouldn't have to repair your damage every time you devolve into a racist frenzy.

 

[Into the Night]

The Dems fought to save as many lives as possible during covid and the Republican fucks fought common sense every step of the way.

Bullshit. Covid19 does not kill. NONE of the Covid series viruses found has yet to kill a single person. Shutting down the economy does not stop a virus. Masks do not stop a virus. 6 feet does not stop a virus. Plastic shields at cash registers does not stop a virus. Testing does not stop a virus.

You idiots have tried mandating them all, and STILL people get infected with the covid19 virus.

Covid19 is a respiratory virus, just like an influenza series virus or a rhinovirus (cold virus). ANY respiratory virus can cause pneumonia. Pneumonia is no joke. It CAN kill, and very quickly. It can be treated, but ONLY if it is dealt with early.
Covid19 itself does not kill.

The Church of Covid argues two paradoxes, which I call paradox M, and paradox V.

Paradox M:
1) I wear a mask to protect myself from covid19.
2) I demand that YOU wear a mask because MY mask doesn't work.

Paradox V:
1) I get the covid19 vaccine to protect me from infection.
2) I demand that YOU get the vaccine because my vaccination doesn't work.

Arguing both sides of any paradox is irrational.

 

[LurchAddams]

Bullshit. Covid19 does not kill. NONE of the Covid series viruses found has yet to kill a single person. Shutting down the economy does not stop a virus. Masks do not stop a virus. 6 feet does not stop a virus. Plastic shields at cash registers does not stop a virus. Testing does not stop a virus.

You idiots have tried mandating them all, and STILL people get infected with the covid19 virus.

Covid19 is a respiratory virus, just like an influenza series virus or a rhinovirus (cold virus). ANY respiratory virus can cause pneumonia. Pneumonia is no joke. It CAN kill, and very quickly. It can be treated, but ONLY if it is dealt with early.
Covid19 itself does not kill.

The Church of Covid argues two paradoxes, which I call paradox M, and paradox V.

Paradox M:
1) I wear a mask to protect myself from covid19.
2) I demand that YOU wear a mask because MY mask doesn't work.

Paradox V:
1) I get the covid19 vaccine to protect me from infection.
2) I demand that YOU get the vaccine because my vaccination doesn't work.

Arguing both sides of any paradox is irrational.

I'm only arguing one side. The side of common sense. Covid killed over a million in the US. Would have been many more, had drumph won in 2020.

 

[gemini104104]

In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

Famously, the country has MUCH higher real GDP growth rates when Democrats are president, stronger median real income growth, and better stock market performance. Also, it's well established that while there has been a small net increase in poverty rates during Republican presidencies, there's been a gigantic net decrease in those rates during Democratic presidencies. Dem eras also look better when it comes to the change in the share of Americans covered by health insurance.

But surely there must be SOME indicator that looks better for the Republicans, right?

My first thought was maybe crime, since Republicans talk a good game when it comes to "law and order," and have been eager to incarcerate a large share of Americans to try to achieve that. There are two ways we could score that: average rates or change in rates.

Using the murder rate as a proxy, the average murder rate during Republican presidencies is 7.5 (going back to 1960 and up to 2020). The average during Democratic presidencies is 6.3.

Calculating it, instead, by the change in rates, on average murder rates fell 0.05 points during Democratic presidencies, and rose 0.6 points during Republican presidencies.

So, whichever way you calculate that, Democratic presidential eras look better.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The next thought that occurred to me is inflation, since Republicans are hawkish on that. Again, there are two main ways you could score that: the average inflation rate per year, or the change in the rate of inflation from the start of a presidency to the end. The former looks better for the Democrats (3.17%, average, versus 4.16% for Republicans). The latter, though, looks better for Republicans (largely on the strength of Reagan inheriting high rates and leaving fairly low ones).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA#0

So, out of all the indicators I've thought of, Dems look better on all of them except inflation.... and that one depends on how you score it. Are there any others you can think of that look better for the Republicans?

Additionally, which represents the trendy failures of repuke so-called presidents and the fools that vote for them against their own interests at also being a liability on society and humanity:

Democratic presidents keep having to save the US economy after Republican presidents run it into the ground

Since the 1990s, GOP presidents keep running the US economy into recessions.
And then Democratic presidents come in and save the economy.
Democrats should remind voters of this every chance they get.
Michael Gordon is a longtime Democratic strategist, a former spokesman for the Justice Department, and the principal for the strategic-communications firm Group Gordon.
This is an opinion column. The thoughts expressed are those of the author.
Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories."
https://www.businessinsider.com/gop...-recession-democrat-presidents-save-it-2021-1

For example, after dealing with atrocities associated with the lawlessly hacked in tRump mob of the sewer:

Biden’s Jobs Boom: How Policies Boosted the Labor Market Recovery in 2021
President Biden’s signature legislation, the American Rescue Plan Act, accelerated the economic recovery when it lost momentum; further fiscal steps are necessary to maintain this momentum and reduce economic inequality.

The latest data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show that the labor market has added 7.9 million jobs since President Joe Biden took office in January 2021.1 His administration has made the revival of a flagging economy its top priority, with an emphasis on providing more assistance to struggling families. In early March 2021, Congress passed the administration’s American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA). In the 13 months from March 2021 through March 2022, the economy added 7.2 million jobs.2

Were President Biden’s policies the cause of this boom? This much is clear: The data show that his fiscal policies directly accelerated job growth, with the ARPA leading to the creation of 1 million to more than 4 million additional jobs since it went into effect. Now, it is time for Congress to build on these progressive accomplishments by enacting further measures, paid for by a more progressive tax system, to maintain jobs momentum and reduce persistent inequality."

https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...es-boosted-the-labor-market-recovery-in-2021/

 

[Into the Night]

LOL "the constitution". You use that as an excuse for everything.

The Constitution is not an excuse. It is the law.

You could give a fuck about The Constitution.

In fact, I do. It is Democrats that discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.

If you did, Democrats wouldn't have to repair your damage every time you devolve into a racist frenzy.

Democrats discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions. They can't damage it. They just discard it. It is Democrats that are racist and they always have been. Inversion fallacies.

Democrats want to ban certain religions, discarding the 1st amendment.
Democrats want to censor, discarding the 1st amendment.
Democrats want to ban or limit guns, discarding the 2nd amendment.
Democrats want to have imprisonment or other punishment without trial, discarding the 4th and 6th amendments.
Democrats want to compel a witness to testify against himself, discarding the 5th amendment.
Democrats want to overrule Senate authority during impeachment hearings, discarding Article I.
Democrats want to impeach a person that is not in office, discarding Article I.
Democrats want to compel a President to stand trial in the House, not the Senate, discarding Articles I and II.
Democrats committed election fraud to the point of causing an election fault, then installing their own Chief Puppet Biden, discarding Articles II and IV.
Democrats want the Supreme Court to change the Constitution, discarding Article III, the most recent example of thuggery again Supreme Court justices to enshrine abortion law at the federal level.
Democrats want the federal government to overrule State governments, discarding the 9th and 10th amendments.
Democrats want to apply laws unequally, practicing racism in the name of 'preventing' racism, discarding the 14th amendment and Article I.

Shall I go on?

 

[Into the Night]

I'm only arguing one side. The side of common sense. Covid killed over a million in the US. Would have been many more, had drumph won in 2020.

Covid19 does not kill. You are making up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.
Arguing both sides of a paradox is not common sense. It is irrational.
There was no election in 2020. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

 

[LurchAddams]

The Constitution is not an excuse. It is the law.

In fact, I do. It is Democrats that discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions.

Democrats discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions. They can't damage it. They just discard it. It is Democrats that are racist and they always have been. Inversion fallacies.

Democrats want to ban certain religions, discarding the 1st amendment.
Democrats want to censor, discarding the 1st amendment.
Democrats want to ban or limit guns, discarding the 2nd amendment.
Democrats want to have imprisonment or other punishment without trial, discarding the 4th and 6th amendments.
Democrats want to compel a witness to testify against himself, discarding the 5th amendment.
Democrats want to overrule Senate authority during impeachment hearings, discarding Article I.
Democrats want to impeach a person that is not in office, discarding Article I.
Democrats want to compel a President to stand trial in the House, not the Senate, discarding Articles I and II.
Democrats committed election fraud to the point of causing an election fault, then installing their own Chief Puppet Biden, discarding Articles II and IV.
Democrats want the Supreme Court to change the Constitution, discarding Article III, the most recent example of thuggery again Supreme Court justices to enshrine abortion law at the federal level.
Democrats want the federal government to overrule State governments, discarding the 9th and 10th amendments.

Shall I go on?

Let me spell it out for you: Republicans circumvented the constitution to get their racist, authoritarian thugs on the court. The Dems are trying to repair your damage.

See? It only took a paragraph to summarize the situation while you cut and paste decades of right-wing talking points, as if that was going to have an impact.

Don't you see how progressivism will win the day and your puritanical, authoritarian ways are about to sunset?

No wonder you're so paranoid.

 

[Into the Night]

Additionally, which represents the trendy failures of repuke so-called presidents and the fools that vote for them against their own interests at also being a liability on society and humanity:

Democratic presidents keep having to save the US economy after Republican presidents run it into the ground

Since the 1990s, GOP presidents keep running the US economy into recessions.
And then Democratic presidents come in and save the economy.
Democrats should remind voters of this every chance they get.
Michael Gordon is a longtime Democratic strategist, a former spokesman for the Justice Department, and the principal for the strategic-communications firm Group Gordon.
This is an opinion column. The thoughts expressed are those of the author.
Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories."
https://www.businessinsider.com/gop...-recession-democrat-presidents-save-it-2021-1

For example, after dealing with atrocities associated with the lawlessly hacked in tRump mob of the sewer:

Biden’s Jobs Boom: How Policies Boosted the Labor Market Recovery in 2021
President Biden’s signature legislation, the American Rescue Plan Act, accelerated the economic recovery when it lost momentum; further fiscal steps are necessary to maintain this momentum and reduce economic inequality.

The latest data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show that the labor market has added 7.9 million jobs since President Joe Biden took office in January 2021.1 His administration has made the revival of a flagging economy its top priority, with an emphasis on providing more assistance to struggling families. In early March 2021, Congress passed the administration’s American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA). In the 13 months from March 2021 through March 2022, the economy added 7.2 million jobs.2

Were President Biden’s policies the cause of this boom? This much is clear: The data show that his fiscal policies directly accelerated job growth, with the ARPA leading to the creation of 1 million to more than 4 million additional jobs since it went into effect. Now, it is time for Congress to build on these progressive accomplishments by enacting further measures, paid for by a more progressive tax system, to maintain jobs momentum and reduce persistent inequality."

https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...es-boosted-the-labor-market-recovery-in-2021/

Right from the Ministry of Truth. Your lies don't work anymore.

 

[LurchAddams]

Covid19 does not kill. You are making up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.
Arguing both sides of a paradox is not common sense. It is irrational.
There was no election in 2020. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyie! You go, MAGidiot.

 

[Coolred44]

Covid does not kill?

Does the whole entire world know this or just Into The Night?

 

[Into the Night]

Let me spell it out for you: Republicans circumvented the constitution to get their racist, authoritarian thugs on the court.

Please cite the Article and section or the Amendment you are using to source this statement. What was circumvented? Be specific.
The racism is Democrats.

The Dems are trying to repair your damage.

By attempting to stuff the court? By threatening justices? That's denying Article III and State laws.

See? It only took a paragraph to summarize the situation while you cut and paste decades of right-wing talking points, as if that was going to have an impact.

You have not made an argument. You have only made a simple statement that is itself a circular argument (not a fallacy). Incomplete argument. You must declare the passage in the Constitution that was violated.

Don't you see how progressivism will win the day and your puritanical, authoritarian ways are about to sunset?

Racism. Inversion fallacy.

No wonder you're so paranoid.

Inversion fallacy. Democrats are quite paranoid. They are afraid that Trump will regain power in some way. They are afraid of a revolt. I suppose they should be.

 

[Into the Night]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyie! You go, MAGidiot.

Insult fallacy. No argument presented.

 

[LurchAddams]

Please cite the Article and section or the Amendment you are using to source this statement. What was circumvented? Be specific.
The racism is Democrats.

By attempting to stuff the court? By threatening justices? That's denying Article III and State laws.

You have not made an argument. You have only made a simple statement that is itself a circular argument (not a fallacy). Incomplete argument. You must declare the passage in the Constitution that was violated.

Racism. Inversion fallacy.

Inversion fallacy. Democrats are quite paranoid. They are afraid that Trump will regain power in some way. They are afraid of a revolt. I suppose they should be.

Over half the country agrees with me. You guys really stepped in it this time. And I know - you're going to trot out that "Constitution" and try to twist it's intent to your own white supremacist ends.

It's not going to work.

 

[Into the Night]

Covid does not kill?

Does the whole entire world know this or just Into The Night?

What do you think the entire world actually knows?
How can you speak for the knowledge of every person in the world?

None of the covid/SARS series viruses so far discovered kill. Covid19 happens to be the mildest variant so far discovered.

Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science.

 

[LurchAddams]

Insult fallacy. No argument presented.

Humor is one way to get a point across. Since white supremacists have no intelligence, they therefore have zero sense of humor. No "fallacy" here. Only irrefutable logic.

You're welcome.

 

[Coolred44]

What do you think the entire world actually knows?
How can you speak for the knowledge of every person in the world?

None of the covid/SARS series viruses so far discovered kill. Covid19 happens to be the mildest variant so far discovered.

Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science.

I don't know what the entire world knows but the scientific consensus is that Covid kills and has killed millions of people. Your personal take on it only means something to you.

 

[LurchAddams]

Covid does not kill?

Does the whole entire world know this or just Into The Night?

It's a gaslight. Republicans know what they did. What else can they do but deflect and troll now. To do otherwise would be to claim responsibility. Republicans are incapable of doing that.

 

[Into the Night]

Over half the country agrees with me.

Irrelevant. The Constitution is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution. False authority fallacy. Attempted proof by void.

You guys really stepped in it this time.

Cliche fallacy.

And I know - you're going to trot out that "Constitution" and try to twist it's intent

I am not twisting anything. The Constitution is written in plain English. I asked you to specifically describe which passage supports your claim. You turn to insults. I can only assume that you have no such reference.

to your own white supremacist ends.

You are describing Democrats again. Inversion fallacy.

It's not going to work.

I'm not trying to 'get anything to work', as you put it. The Constitution of the United States stands on it's own. It is it's own authoritative reference.

Obviously, you have never read it, and you can't specify what passage supports your claim. So you turn to insults and vague statements.

 

[LurchAddams]

What do you think the entire world actually knows?
How can you speak for the knowledge of every person in the world?

None of the covid/SARS series viruses so far discovered kill. Covid19 happens to be the mildest variant so far discovered.

Science does not use consensus. There is no voting bloc in science.

Absolutely correct. And science has proven that Covid has killed millions. See? I can cite science as well. The only difference is, I get my information from journals, and you get yours from QAnon.