Will President Biden directly address MBS on 9/11?

Coolred44 said:
So the Saudis opinion of our president matters....how? What happened to defending Trump with "who cares who the leaders of other countries think...this is Merikka". Opinions were irrelevant when it was Trump but now matter very much? Typical hypocrisy.
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Saudi is still very important, not least to the Israeli peace process, energy and Middle East realpolitik.
 
Maybe but their opinion of any current US president doesn't really matter much because they know and we know that we have mutual needs of each other.

Also, what Israeli peace process? Do you think Saudis actually care what goes on there? Not many Arabs do?
 
Coolred44 said:
Maybe but their opinion of any current US president doesn't really matter much because they know and we know that we have mutual needs of each other.

Also, what Israeli peace process? Do you think Saudis actually care what goes on there? Not many Arabs do?
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You're not very informed, are you?

Jordan key to advancing Abraham Accords, calming West Bank

Opinion: Israelis and Jordanians no longer hide their willingness to cooperate, but King Abdullah’s complex domestic situation and tensions surrounding Al-Aqsa Mosque may impede rapprochement

Relations between Israel and Jordan have experienced a rebirth over the past year. After the exit from office of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, under whose leadership relations with the Hashemite monarchy were strained and sometimes hostile, the two sides have rediscovered each other, like a couple that falls in love again after years of mutual acrimony.

The Jordanians no longer hide their willingness to cooperate with Israel on a variety of topics, such as a joint food program, renewable energy, the struggle against radical Islam, preventing arms smuggling, and stabilizing the Palestinian territories.

The reciprocal effects of Jerusalem’s renewed relationship with Amman and its new ties with the normalization states remain to be seen. This is an important aspect of the normalization process because a significant connection to Jordan gives the Abraham Accords geopolitical depth.

However, the situation in Jordan is complex. King Abdullah avoided sending his foreign minister to the Negev Summit in March to avoid antagonizing domestic opponents. Instead, he headed to Ramallah to calm simmering unrest there. Israel understood his decision.

Israel values Abdullah’s mediation because Jordan is the custodian of Jerusalem’s Muslim holy sites. Both sides hoped that quiet diplomacy in Amman would prevent violence around Al Aqsa Mosque and in the West Bank during Ramadan, Passover, and Easter.

Last year, when violence erupted around Al Aqsa, thousands of Jordanians took to the streets (some reaching the Israeli border) and demanded that their government sever diplomatic relations with Israel. The king did not surrender but he is clearly concerned about the deterioration of the security situation in the Palestinian territories. Senior Jordanian and Israeli officials held many meetings in a bid to forge understanding and cooperation and prevent further upheaval.

This year, the violence again quickly escalated at Al-Aqsa; despite improved relations, Jordanians harshly criticized Israel for allowing the upheaval. The parliament demanded the expulsion of Israel’s ambassador and demonstrators in Amman called for breaking ties with Israel. Jordanian officials made highly critical statements to appease the protestors. But all sides understood that when the situation in Jerusalem will be back to normal, bilateral cooperation will be back on track.

Just three years ago, when then-U.S. President Donald Trump unveiled his “deal of the century,” Jordanians felt cheated and excluded. In their view, Israel had hatched a plot against them with U.S. cooperation.
News spread that under the plan, control of the holy sites would pass from Jordan to Saudi Arabia. Then came the Abraham Accords. The Jordanians were not thrilled. They feared that the kingdom’s special position as a bridge between Israel and the Arab world was being eroded and that the agreements could harm both the Palestinians and them.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1411zqbp9
 
Primavera said:
You're not very informed, are you?

Jordan key to advancing Abraham Accords, calming West Bank

Opinion: Israelis and Jordanians no longer hide their willingness to cooperate, but King Abdullah’s complex domestic situation and tensions surrounding Al-Aqsa Mosque may impede rapprochement

Relations between Israel and Jordan have experienced a rebirth over the past year. After the exit from office of former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, under whose leadership relations with the Hashemite monarchy were strained and sometimes hostile, the two sides have rediscovered each other, like a couple that falls in love again after years of mutual acrimony.

The Jordanians no longer hide their willingness to cooperate with Israel on a variety of topics, such as a joint food program, renewable energy, the struggle against radical Islam, preventing arms smuggling, and stabilizing the Palestinian territories.

The reciprocal effects of Jerusalem’s renewed relationship with Amman and its new ties with the normalization states remain to be seen. This is an important aspect of the normalization process because a significant connection to Jordan gives the Abraham Accords geopolitical depth.

However, the situation in Jordan is complex. King Abdullah avoided sending his foreign minister to the Negev Summit in March to avoid antagonizing domestic opponents. Instead, he headed to Ramallah to calm simmering unrest there. Israel understood his decision.

Israel values Abdullah’s mediation because Jordan is the custodian of Jerusalem’s Muslim holy sites. Both sides hoped that quiet diplomacy in Amman would prevent violence around Al Aqsa Mosque and in the West Bank during Ramadan, Passover, and Easter.

Last year, when violence erupted around Al Aqsa, thousands of Jordanians took to the streets (some reaching the Israeli border) and demanded that their government sever diplomatic relations with Israel. The king did not surrender but he is clearly concerned about the deterioration of the security situation in the Palestinian territories. Senior Jordanian and Israeli officials held many meetings in a bid to forge understanding and cooperation and prevent further upheaval.

This year, the violence again quickly escalated at Al-Aqsa; despite improved relations, Jordanians harshly criticized Israel for allowing the upheaval. The parliament demanded the expulsion of Israel’s ambassador and demonstrators in Amman called for breaking ties with Israel. Jordanian officials made highly critical statements to appease the protestors. But all sides understood that when the situation in Jerusalem will be back to normal, bilateral cooperation will be back on track.

Just three years ago, when then-U.S. President Donald Trump unveiled his “deal of the century,” Jordanians felt cheated and excluded. In their view, Israel had hatched a plot against them with U.S. cooperation.
News spread that under the plan, control of the holy sites would pass from Jordan to Saudi Arabia. Then came the Abraham Accords. The Jordanians were not thrilled. They feared that the kingdom’s special position as a bridge between Israel and the Arab world was being eroded and that the agreements could harm both the Palestinians and them.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b1411zqbp9
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I was referring to the plight of Palestinians. Arabs don't much care what happens to them.
 
Primavera said:
So what are Jordanians then, Eskimos?
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How is doing business with Israel equated with caring about Palestinians when Arabs/Muslims promised to never do business with Israel because of Palestine...yet here we are which roughly translates to we don't really care about Palestine.
 
Coolred44 said:
How is doing business with Israel equated with caring about Palestinians when Arabs/Muslims promised to never do business with Israel because of Palestine...yet here we are which roughly translates to we don't really care about Palestine.
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Oh dear, I see this is going nowhere as I suspected it would. The Saudis and UAE are wanting to put some serious money into Gaza and the West Bank. The tourist industry could be massive there but for the likes of Neanderthals like Hamas. If everybody thought like you then they'd still be fighting in Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo and many other places around the world
 
Primavera said:
As he said he's 75, although not sure how you fuck up whilst reading from a teleprompter?
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It must have been raining! Same as when Trump told the nation in a July 4 speech that George Washington's army took over the airports. :)


Speaking of Trump ... in the 2016 election campaign he told a bunch of 9/11 Truthers that he would reveal the Truth about 9/11 if he was elected.

For better or worse he was elected. He never mentioned 9/11 again.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
It must have been raining! Same as when Trump told the nation in a July 4 speech that George Washington's army took over the airports. :)


Speaking of Trump ... in the 2016 election campaign he told a bunch of 9/11 Truthers that he would reveal the Truth about 9/11 if he was elected.

For better or worse he was elected. He never mentioned 9/11 again.
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And now let's move to SloJo!

 
Primavera said:
Oh dear, I see this is going nowhere as I suspected it would. The Saudis and UAE are wanting to put some serious money into Gaza and the West Bank. The tourist industry could be massive there but for the likes of Neanderthals like Hamas. If everybody thought like you then they'd still be fighting in Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo and many other places around the world
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That is never going to happen. I'm sorry but what planet do you live on? Israel would have to relax their iron grip on Palestine before any touristing could take place. Let's see that happen at all much less enough for Saudi and the UAE to put money there.
 
Coolred44 said:
That is never going to happen. I'm sorry but what planet do you live on? Israel would have to relax their iron grip on Palestine before any touristing could take place. Let's see that happen at all much less enough for Saudi and the UAE to put money there.
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Hamas are Islamic fundamentalists with an iron grip on the poor bastards who have to live in Gaza. The Palestinians can't even agree to hold fresh elections, last held in 2006, never anything else. How can you deal with people who hate each other almost as much as they hate Jews?
 
Primavera said:
Hamas are Islamic fundamentalists with an iron grip on the poor bastards who have to live in Gaza. The Palestinians can't even agree to hold fresh elections, last held in 2006, never anything else. How can you deal with people who hate each other almost as much as they hate Jews?
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No idea. I'm not the one dealing with them but then again maybe they think so little of each other because they have been treated like garbage all their lives? Also, Jews hate them as well. Bipartisan hate.
 
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