Will President Biden directly address MBS on 9/11?

AProudLefty said:
So you don't want the truth about 9/11 to get out?
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The truth is that 9/11 was carried out by a group of mostly Saudi men from upper-middle class, well-to-do families attending Western universities and becoming affiliated with radical Leftist agitators. Between these and radical Muslim agitators these men, who saw their own society as limiting them, had an axe to grind. Both the radical Muslim faction, and the radical Leftists convinced them that Western society, and the US in particular, were to blame.
They concocted their plan over a number of years of festering hatred even as they indulged themselves in the very society they hated. All of this was at least in part funded by Saddam Hussein who was more than willing to hand cash to anyone or group that would carry out terrorist acts against what Iraq saw as their enemies.

They then successfully carried out their attack on the US.

Note, as members of al Quida, they were wanted in Saudi Arabia which is why they weren't there and didn't go there.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The truth is that 9/11 was carried out by a group of mostly Saudi men from upper-middle class, well-to-do families attending Western universities and becoming affiliated with radical Leftist agitators. Between these and radical Muslim agitators these men, who saw their own society as limiting them, had an axe to grind. Both the radical Muslim faction, and the radical Leftists convinced them that Western society, and the US in particular, were to blame.
They concocted their plan over a number of years of festering hatred even as they indulged themselves in the very society they hated. All of this was at least in part funded by Saddam Hussein who was more than willing to hand cash to anyone or group that would carry out terrorist acts against what Iraq saw as their enemies.

They then successfully carried out their attack on the US.

Note, as members of al Quida, they were wanted in Saudi Arabia which is why they weren't there and didn't go there.
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Groans. That was so bad I have to give it -100 out of 10.
 
AProudLefty said:
So you are saying that the FBI was wrong?
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I'm saying you are reading between the lines and putting something into it that isn't there. Your version says that the Saudis and their government were and are some sort of monolithic mindset where everyone is on the same page. That's no more true there than it is here with our government. Individuals in Saudi Arabia could have been sympathizers and supporters but that doesn't equate to the Saudi government officially--even if covertly--supporting Al Quida or its acts. It is clear that Bin Laden and the al Quida leadership were hiding out in Afghanistan to avoid arrest by the Saudi government among other governments that wanted them.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm saying you are reading between the lines and putting something into it that isn't there. Your version says that the Saudis and their government were and are some sort of monolithic mindset where everyone is on the same page. That's no more true there than it is here with our government. Individuals in Saudi Arabia could have been sympathizers and supporters but that doesn't equate to the Saudi government officially--even if covertly--supporting Al Quida or its acts. It is clear that Bin Laden and the al Quida leadership were hiding out in Afghanistan to avoid arrest by the Saudi government among other governments that wanted them.
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See that's ad hominem. You said, "your version". It isn't my version. The Saudi Arabia has been known to be connected to 9/11 since 9/11. The FBI report confirms it.

And no I never claimed that everyone in Saudi government are on the same page. That's pure ad hominem. Remember that Bush had a Freudian slip about invading Iraq?
 
AProudLefty said:
See that's ad hominem. You said, "your version". It isn't my version. The Saudi Arabia has been known to be connected to 9/11 since 9/11. The FBI report confirms it.

And no I never claimed that everyone in Saudi government are on the same page. That's pure ad hominem. Remember that Bush had a Freudian slip about invading Iraq?
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Wrong. You really don't understand what ad hominem is do you? Let me ask this: Are you claiming that the Saudi government was directly and knowingly involved in 9/11? That is, they knew about the plan and supported it officially, if covertly. Is that your position?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. You really don't understand what ad hominem is do you? Let me ask this: Are you claiming that the Saudi government was directly and knowingly involved in 9/11? That is, they knew about the plan and supported it officially, if covertly. Is that your position?
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Yes.

And yes it is an ad hominem. You accused me of it being my "version" which I have not expressed such a thing.
 
AProudLefty said:
How is this rambling? Do you want Biden to address 9/11 to MBS or not?
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He already addressed it by declassifying the files last September: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/12/1036...t-detailing-saudi-nationals-connections-to-9-
Biden Declassifies Secret FBI Report Detailing Saudi Nationals' Connections To 9/11
The partially redacted report shows a closer relationship than had been previously known between two Saudis in particular — including one with diplomatic status — and some of the hijackers. Families of the 9/11 victims have long sought after the report, which painted a starkly different portrait than the one described by the 9/11 Commission Report in 2004.

While the commission was largely unable to tie the Saudi men to the hijackers, the FBI document describes multiple connections and phone calls.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
He already addressed it by declassifying the files last September: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/12/1036...t-detailing-saudi-nationals-connections-to-9-
Biden Declassifies Secret FBI Report Detailing Saudi Nationals' Connections To 9/11
The partially redacted report shows a closer relationship than had been previously known between two Saudis in particular — including one with diplomatic status — and some of the hijackers. Families of the 9/11 victims have long sought after the report, which painted a starkly different portrait than the one described by the 9/11 Commission Report in 2004.

While the commission was largely unable to tie the Saudi men to the hijackers, the FBI document describes multiple connections and phone calls.
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Well yeah but this is about Biden's possible visit to Saudi Arabia.
 
AProudLefty said:
Well yeah but this is about Biden's possible visit to Saudi Arabia.
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I have no doubt the situation is being addressed in back channels.

Consider Nixon and Trump. Both are likely to end up on the record books at "unindicted coconspirators". They'll be pinned in to an extent, but they'll have their freedom because of their power and position. It's everyone under them who will burn. Same for MBS. The US will use him to twist the arms of the Saudis.

Have you noticed how the Saudis have changed in the past few years? Less bullshit about Israel and a lot more talk about Iran?
 
So the Saudis opinion of our president matters....how? What happened to defending Trump with "who cares who the leaders of other countries think...this is Merikka". Opinions were irrelevant when it was Trump but now matter very much? Typical hypocrisy.
 
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