what is Putin's endgame?

what is Putin's Endgame for Ukraine

  • full control and occupation of all of Ukraine

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • full control and occupation of Uk upto the Dnieper and Kyiv only

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Puppet government with existing border

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • complete annexation into Russian Federation

    Votes: 4 50.0%
  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .
NiftyNiblick said:
I honestly think Putin wants to retore the Soviet Union to its former if short lived glory, only this time as a fascist rather than communist state.
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You seem to think there's a material difference.

NiftyNiblick said:
I was drafted to go to war against communists with whom I held no grudge.
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A Story for Every Occasion™.

NiftyNiblick said:
Russia has gotten better at it than we ever were, at least before Trump.
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Could be. I remember when Trump rounded up protesters and threatened to impound their pets and give their children to governments agencies after he sent mounted police in to trample elderly Native women clutching their walkers....oh, wait. That was Trudeau.

NiftyNiblick said:
Where we go to war merely to enrich our corporate war profiteetrs, Russia actually annexes countries.
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I seem to recall some places called Hawaii, the Philippines, and Puerto Rico, but that was Different, right?
 
anatta said:
seems to be a lot of conflicted opinions and putin isnt saying
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No idea but I will say this. Looks like we are now in a new cold war and republicans have had a much better track record dealing with Russia in that regard. Of course almost all of the old cold warriors are dead and gone so who knows how this generation of republicans would deal with Russia.
Sadly this will be an agenda item in 2024.
 
dukkha said:
nor did I provide a response for the USA wanting this war, fanning this war, and not trying to end this war
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the only one who wanted this war was Vlad Putin.

I am sure Biden would be glad do without the oil shock, gas prices, and drama that come with this.

So you didn't even remotely consider the possiblity that Ukrainian resistance would be fierce, and they would make an outright occupation of Ukraine untenable??
 
Cypress said:
the only one who wanted this war was Vlad Putin.

I am sure Biden would be glad do without the oil shock, gas prices, and drama that come with this.

So you didn't even remotely consider the possiblity that Ukrainian resistance would be fierce, and they would make an outright occupation of Ukraine untenable??
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Biden cant think his way out of a paper bag, and the wamongers in his adm dont GAF about anything but going after Putin

Biden/Blinken had 3 chances to negotiate with Putin on his redlines and blew them all off
 
dukkha said:
Biden cant think his way out of a paper bag, and the wamongers in his adm dont GAF about anything but going after Putin

Biden/Blinken had 3 chances to negotiate with Putin on his redlines and blew them all off
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Give me a count of the number of NATO troops currently standing on Russian territory, and identify the names of Russian cities reduced to rubble by NATO cruise missiles.

If the answer you are coming up with is zero, then the unprovoked aggressor here is Dear Vlad.
 
Cypress said:
Give me a count of the number of NATO troops currently standing on Russian territory, and identify the names of Russian cities reduced to rubble by NATO cruise missiles.

If the answer you are coming up with is zero, then the unprovoked aggressor here is Dear Vlad.
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ive gone over this many times with you. you are in total denial we are warring agaisnt Russia by intelligence, target acquisition,training, military aid.

The worse part is we have 0 interests in even getting talks going
 
Should the Russians take Odessa then Ukraine's back is broken. They can then change their objectives to suit the circumstances- as many state that they've been doing from the start.
 
dukkha said:
ive gone over this many times with you. you are in total denial we are warring agaisnt Russia by intelligence, target acquisition,training, military aid.

The worse part is we have 0 interests in even getting talks going
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Ukraine is defending itself against Invasion, war crimes, and unprovoked aggression.

They have a right to ask for military aid, and NATO has a right to provide it.

If Ukraine invaded Russia and shelled Russian cities into rubble, I wouldn't give Ukraine a penny.

Russia has no room to complain, they actively armed and supported North Vietnamese, Viet Cong, Chinese, and North Korean forces who were fighting the US army.
 
Cypress;
Russia has no room to complain, they actively armed and supported North Vietnamese, Viet Cong, Chinese, and North Korean forces who were fighting the US army.
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To name but a few US invasions- all of which the US lost.
As Russia is fighting at home and has no long-distance supply line problems what makes you think that these US aggressions you mention are comparable to Russia's defense of its own borders ?
 
moon said:
Cypress;


To name but a few US invasions- all of which the US lost.
As Russia is fighting at home and has no long-distance supply line problems what makes you think that these US aggressions you mention are comparable to Russia's defense of its own borders ?
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he's a deep state brainwashed retarded fuckenheimer.
 
Right. Cypress believes in the glory of a smashed Ukraine devoid of Ukrainians- from his comfy couch.
 
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