Is there any measurable way the country does better with Republican presidents?

Energy independence for the first time in, what, 70 years? Peace in the Mideast. Record low unemployment rates along all sectors and groups, especially minorities. Massive decreases in regulation. Manufacturing moving back to the US.
 
Ultra MAGA said:
Energy independence for the first time in, what, 70 years? Peace in the Mideast. Record low unemployment rates along all sectors and groups, especially minorities. Massive decreases in regulation. Manufacturing moving back to the US.
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And raise the income for lower income wage earners.
 
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Mina said:
In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

Famously, the country has MUCH higher real GDP growth rates when Democrats are president, stronger median real income growth, and better stock market performance. Also, it's well established that while there has been a small net increase in poverty rates during Republican presidencies, there's been a gigantic net decrease in those rates during Democratic presidencies. Dem eras also look better when it comes to the change in the share of Americans covered by health insurance.

But surely there must be SOME indicator that looks better for the Republicans, right?

My first thought was maybe crime, since Republicans talk a good game when it comes to "law and order," and have been eager to incarcerate a large share of Americans to try to achieve that. There are two ways we could score that: average rates or change in rates.

Using the murder rate as a proxy, the average murder rate during Republican presidencies is 7.5 (going back to 1960 and up to 2020). The average during Democratic presidencies is 6.3.

Calculating it, instead, by the change in rates, on average murder rates fell 0.05 points during Democratic presidencies, and rose 0.6 points during Republican presidencies.

So, whichever way you calculate that, Democratic presidential eras look better.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The next thought that occurred to me is inflation, since Republicans are hawkish on that. Again, there are two main ways you could score that: the average inflation rate per year, or the change in the rate of inflation from the start of a presidency to the end. The former looks better for the Democrats (3.17%, average, versus 4.16% for Republicans). The latter, though, looks better for Republicans (largely on the strength of Reagan inheriting high rates and leaving fairly low ones).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA#0

So, out of all the indicators I've thought of, Dems look better on all of them except inflation.... and that one depends on how you score it. Are there any others you can think of that look better for the Republicans?
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You are either a liar or really stupid, the parties are completely new now, they are not anything like they were a few years ago. D's are now the party of the Victim Culture Cult, of the WOKE, of power.....the R's are everybody else.

The entire premise of this tread is at best idiotic.

Perhaps nefarious.
 
Celticguy said:
well once Clinton ralized that his original platform was going nowhere and he flipped to doing whatever Noot said, he got ppular ands productive.
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So, your take is that we clearly do better under Democrats - though once in awhile, it's because they listen to Republicans. Who fail.
 
archives said:
Trump wasn't responsible for those trends, he inherited an economy on the rise, majority of economic indicators were pointing in the upward direction before he took office, that would have happened coming out of the Great Recession regardless of who was President, Trump's only accomplishment was not screwing it up
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he inherited a lowering unemployment -
but getting it even lower isn't a guarantee.

The Obama recovery was for the "1%"s - remember them?
It's because the wage gains for lower and middle income lagged behind higher percentile earners.

see the rest of his accomplishments. Presidents get credit or blame for their record
I wish he was still around "not screwing up" unlike this bozo biden
 
Ultra MAGA said:
Energy independence for the first time in, what, 70 years? Peace in the Mideast. Record low unemployment rates along all sectors and groups, especially minorities. Massive decreases in regulation. Manufacturing moving back to the US.
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i dont know about "peace" but the Abraham accords were a good blueprint until Biden blew that up by dissinf KSA which was making noises about signing something with Israel
we did gain manufacturing jobs instead of losing them

But look at the current disaster in chief..enough said
 
T. A. Gardner said:
McNamara fallacy.
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This board is interesting, in that a number of the right-wingers here have completely given up on the idea of even attempting to engage with fact-based arguments. Instead, they simply name a fallacy and hope that ends the discussion and we can return to free-form venting of emotions, in lieu of discussions that reference actual evidence.
 
dukkha said:
meaningless as well. Im not a partisan hack.
what's stupid for one side is also stupid for the other
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There are many degrees of stupid. The (R)s went after Clinton right out of the gate with their multiple investigations ("Witch Hunts" if you're a Trump). They finally tagged him about lying about a BJ.

What Trump did -- twice -- is far, far more serious. Blackmailing a foreign leader by withholding congressionally-approved aid in order to get dirt on a political rival, and instigating an attack on our Capitol -- there is no comparison to lying about a BJ. None. The first is just a sleazy person being sleazy and stupidly got caught and rightfully punished. The second two are egregious breaches of a president's duty to uphold the Constitution and protect the security and interests of our nation.

The (R)s failed this nation when they failed to remove #TRE45ON from office, twice. If they had done their sworn duty the first time, there would have been no attack on the Capitol, five dead people, over a hundred injured, and hundreds looking at prison.
 
Mina said:
In another thread, we were discussing the way that, on average, the country has had a much better private-sector job creation rate during Democratic presidencies than Republican ones. It got me thinking: is there ANY indicator you can think of where performance hasn't been better, on average, during Democratic presidencies?

Famously, the country has MUCH higher real GDP growth rates when Democrats are president, stronger median real income growth, and better stock market performance. Also, it's well established that while there has been a small net increase in poverty rates during Republican presidencies, there's been a gigantic net decrease in those rates during Democratic presidencies. Dem eras also look better when it comes to the change in the share of Americans covered by health insurance.

But surely there must be SOME indicator that looks better for the Republicans, right?

My first thought was maybe crime, since Republicans talk a good game when it comes to "law and order," and have been eager to incarcerate a large share of Americans to try to achieve that. There are two ways we could score that: average rates or change in rates.

Using the murder rate as a proxy, the average murder rate during Republican presidencies is 7.5 (going back to 1960 and up to 2020). The average during Democratic presidencies is 6.3.

Calculating it, instead, by the change in rates, on average murder rates fell 0.05 points during Democratic presidencies, and rose 0.6 points during Republican presidencies.

So, whichever way you calculate that, Democratic presidential eras look better.

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

The next thought that occurred to me is inflation, since Republicans are hawkish on that. Again, there are two main ways you could score that: the average inflation rate per year, or the change in the rate of inflation from the start of a presidency to the end. The former looks better for the Democrats (3.17%, average, versus 4.16% for Republicans). The latter, though, looks better for Republicans (largely on the strength of Reagan inheriting high rates and leaving fairly low ones).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FPCPITOTLZGUSA#0

So, out of all the indicators I've thought of, Dems look better on all of them except inflation.... and that one depends on how you score it. Are there any others you can think of that look better for the Republicans?
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One must look at more than just the economy. Taxes, inflation, national security, world leadership to name just a few items that are equally important. In short no one party is stronger across the board.
 
archives said:
Got to love these guys, "Mina" starts what could be an interesting thread, given it was a bit partisan, but offered room for any right leaning poster to make a case, and instead the thread turns into Trump did this, Biden did that

And, seeing the thread is blown, this inflation was going to happen no matter who was President, it is demand push coming out of Covid, it was inevitable
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Well said. People don't seem to realize that the inflation is global, not just here.
 
dukkha said:
Trump has solid GDP growth -even got up to 3%, record low unemplotment for women and minorites, household in come jumped 6500 -wages gains for lower percentile earners ( Obma did not) and no stupid wars like Libya or Iraq.


cheap gas, and a "v-shaped" recovery of millions of jobs without inflation

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Indeed.

Lots of "cumulative" stuff here.
 
The Consumer Price Index increased 8.5 percent for the year ended March 2022, following a rise of 7.9 percent from February 2021 to February 2022.Apr 18, 2022
 
Dutch Uncle said:
LBJ, Carter. Clinton was a fluke but so was Trump...both adulterous Presidents who were impeached. Is there a connection? :thinking:

FWIW, Presidents can't wave a wand and fix the economy. All they can do is talk about it.

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Let's take a look at that particular metric. The Federal Reserve site has data back to 1947, so rather than cherry-pick a particular range we think will look good for our side, we'll look at all the available data.

In an average quarter with a Democratic president, the GDP rose about 0.93%, or about 3.78% annualized. In the average quarter with a Republican president, GDP rose about 0.62%, or about 2.52% annualized.

Considering we're talking about a pretty substantial sample size (300 quarters), with roughly half the quarters in each political column, that is a much bigger difference between the two averages than we'd expect if we were dealing with random results. There is a very real correlation between Democratic presidential leadership and stronger economic growth. That doesn't prove causation, of course. Like if Bill Belichik has a better career record than, say, Lovie Smith, that doesn't prove he's a better coach. But it is the simplest explanation.
 
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