what the hell do I care about NATO expansion? that odious bent got us to where we are in trms of threatening Russian security (at least perceived)
The USA is paying 8x the amount of money then the entire NATO club for the Ukraine war
and it makes absolutely no difference to US security whatever happens to Ukraine
as Russia would never go up against Finland or an NATO country
Ukraine is a different animal then the rest of eastern Europe for Russia
I'm not justifying the invasion but Putin made it clear thru his attempt to negotiate with Biden and armed defacto NATO state of Ukraine is an existential threat, but we laughed it off
There are long range artillery in Ukraine that can reach into Russia
Finland or Sweden dont have that strategic liability
And being an America First the last fucking thing I want is to get into some eastern European land war with Russia
But the USA IS at war with Russia
Like the Russia. They have changed what they call it but they haven't really changed.you mean like China?
Exactly.You might want to ask yourself why it is that Sweden has given up on 200 years of neutrality including through two world wars. Finland also fought a war against Russia back in 1939 and knows that Putin is no different to the Soviets.
Oh it has nothing to do with them being obsolete. We are still building ships.you mean like China?
We just decommissioned 20 US ships. and it was because of funding
how about we build up our navy to counter Chinese expansion which is a threat instead?
The 30-year shipbuilding plan released by the Navy in 2020 has the service reaching a fleet of 355 ships by 2049. It expects to build its active ship total to 305 by the end of 2021.
It's mindless join the club. From what I read Turkey is objecting to including one or bothYou might want to ask yourself why it is that Sweden has given up on 200 years of neutrality including through two world wars. Finland also fought a war against Russia back in 1939 and knows that Putin is no different to the Soviets.
Ukraine is a different animal then the rest of eastern Europe for Russia
There are long range artillery in Ukraine that can reach into Russia
those decommissioned ships are easily upgradable. we just dropped down to about 290 net after the couple under construction vs. the ones being decommissioneOh it has nothing to do with them being obsolete. We are still building ships.
It's mindless join the club. From what I read Turkey is objecting to including one or both
I'd damn side rather have the crazy Erdogan in NATO then Sweden,
as Turkey is much more of a strategic asset for NATO
There is no way in hell Putin makes any advances. WTF is he getting out of war with Finland or Sweden?
I keep explaining Ukraine is Russia underbelly. Crimea is essential for Russian military control
a NATO or defacto NATO Ukraine is en existential threat to Russian borders
Finland or Sweden aren't of any interest to Russia in terms of going to war
my advice is stop reading headlines and getting sucked up in all this and think it out as to what is in the best interest of security and peace
NATO expansion has already been shown to be an aggressive posture in Russia's eyes
no mas. it's destabilizing
there is no "Putin playbook"Are you sure? The Baltics AND Finland AND Poland belonged to the old Russian Empire, which seems to be Putin's playbook.
The rest of his story - about Nazis and genocide - is transparent window dressing.
There is long-range artillery in Russia and Belarus that can reach into Ukraine. Who invaded whom?
Which do you suppose would degrade Russia more. Russia is our adversary.those decommissioned ships are easily upgradable. we just dropped down to about 290 net after the couple under construction vs. the ones being decommissione
whats the chance Congress gives all that money for shipbuilding if it or POTUS is Democrat?
Use that $54 billion for shipbuilding instead of warring with Russia
Hince the reason Finland and Sweden want in NATO.there is no "Putin playbook"
There is Ukraine. Putin thought he could saw it off, but didnt take Javelins and drones into consideration
I saw the Battlefield of Libya (most high tech war before this one) and drone warfare turned the tide of Hiftars advance on Tripoli
Now Putin is "aware" as well as he watches his armor turn to mush
After this spanking he isn't going to try to blink at NATO, muchless invade
You have to see Ukraine is much different to Russia then the "old empire"
China is an existential threat economically, strategically and has stated it intends to replace Pax American with such as "One Belt One Road"Which do you suppose would degrade Russia more. Russia is our adversary.
going to war with Sweden or Finland gets Russia nothing. what would it accomplish for Russia?Of course they are, look at a map of the Baltic and Kaliningrad as just one example. Where do think their wheezy old aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov came from?
EU to provide 500 million new euro military aid to Ukraine
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...euro-military-aid-ukraine-borrell-2022-05-13/
<then 1/8th the amount of what Congress is sending this round
Total spent by EU is € 2billion / US total is $54 billion
Trump criticizes spending for Ukraine
https://thehill.com/news/administration/3487836-trump-criticizes-spending-for-ukraine/
dont talk down to me when you dont know whats in the aid. it's not all military aid fool.As was explained to you before, that $54 billion wasn’t given to the Ukrainians via a blank check, it is in US military supplies produced by US companies, all foreign aid, especially military aid, serves more than one purpose
It's not just trump. It's the MAGA crowdWhat doesn’t Trump criticize, especially if he can demagogue it for his own personal ends
Not the answer to my question , Nonresponsive.China is an existential threat economically, strategically and has stated it intends to replace Pax American with such as "One Belt One Road"
Russia doesnt even have a navy worth mentioning . it's no threat to the USA except nukes
i didnt follow the exact line of your questionNot the answer to my question , Nonresponsive.