gawd I wish she would run again..lol
Libya is still a terrorist infested state thanks to her push for regime change of Qadaffi
If you cant see how the "working person" looks at this you're political blinders on are too tight
Democrats and Rural Voters
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Libya is still a terrorist infested state thanks to her push for regime change of Qadaffi
If you cant see how the "working person" looks at this you're political blinders on are too tight
It's really not. Democrats fight for policies that help rural areas and, like all American politicians, talk about "small town America" as if it was a special place full of the "real Americans." Can you even imagine a major Democrat attacking rural areas in the kinds of terms major Republicans use when going after cities?
This is a point made well here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ck-democrat-cities-is-right-out-gop-playbook/
Imagine for a moment if a Democratic presidential candidate gave a speech that painted the rural places run by Republicans as nightmares of deprivation and sorrow, where hope goes to die. In these unbearable hellscapes, the candidate said, pathetic citizens unable to find the wherewithal to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps wallow in poverty, lack of education, addiction and ill health, condemned to sad and meaningless lives by leaders too incompetent or corrupt to help them escape their miserable fate.
The idea of a Democrat giving a speech like that — let alone one speech after another, and putting it in TV ads, and bringing it up over and over again in interviews — is preposterous. Yet that’s just what President Trump is doing right now, as he makes the supposed mayhem in “Democrat cities” the centerpiece of his campaign for reelection. Or as a tweet that Trump retweeted to his 85 million followers on Sunday put it, “Leave Democrat cities. Let them rot.”
You were deplorables all along. She just naively thought half of you weren't. You clarified the matter definitively, though.
Hard to believe someone started a thread about HRC vs. Trump. And the merits of actually voting for hrc .
Someone tell the OP author it’s 2022 and the day of reckoning is coming in November.
I’d include anyone that didn’t vote for hrc as a “deplorable “ even if they also didn’t vote for Trump.
I’m a deplorable.
cawacko
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I did a double take as well. In 2022 it's important to discuss how some random person in Maine voted in 2016? If it were to give us insights into the future then ok but certainly not seeing that here.
No. Obviously that's wrong, since the slide of the Democrats with undereducated rural white voters started LONG before Hillary Clinton came along and offered up a soundbite the corporate media could take out of context. Ronald Reagan, for example, dominated with that same demographic. The change mostly dates to the Dixiecrat revolt and the Civil Rights era. Once Democrats made it clear they cared about Black people, they made undereducated white people a tough group to get for themselves. That's the reason that the most racist Democrats, like Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, and Ronald Reagan, left the party and found a new home with the GOP, serving up rancid red meat for rural and blue collar white people. Now, of course, Democratic politicians can't come right out and say that.... and they don't. Like Hillary Clinton, they bend over backwards to argue that those voters can be reached if the party will just focus on their legitimate economic concerns. But, clearly, that's not actually working.
Read the actual convention speeches. Clinton was talking far more about bringing jobs back. She even talked about Chinese trade issues. Trump's speech was focused first and foremost on fear of violent crime (at a time before the Trump Murder Surge of 2020 had made America a much more dangerous place).
convention speeches aren't campaigning -and by that time for Clinton it was too late - Trump had the working class
I got to one of Trump's rallies. China was a major issue as was jobs
dont tell me BLM riots are Trump murder surges?
lol..typical elitist crap..at least we dont vote for a walking corpse who cant put as sentence together
without rambling off topic or fading....oh and I see you played the race card.. was waiting for that one
But the Trump coalition is still there,,considering how badly Biden has bungled he's gona have a tough time with even suburban women come midterms
Stringfellow Hawk
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Democrats do not care about rural American, Hillary called the fly over states deplorables, she suffered due to her message. Democrats destroyed healthcare for working families and now are attacking the integrity of education. Rural America is getting a taste of Democratic leadership now with incredible inflation and rising interest rates. Democratic leadership shrinks the working class moving it toward the poorer class.
I wasn't suggesting it started with Clinton, I was just using that as an example of recent events that contribute to that decline. Republican gains in the South started before the Dixiecrat revolt and blacks began voting Democratic before the civil rights era.
Trends toward Republicans began in the 1930s and accelerated in the 1950s when Ike won a plurality of the Southern vote in 1956. Blacks began voting Democratic in 1934.
Recent research on Southern politics shows demographic changes accounted for more of the Republican growth than politics since race has not been an issue in most elections since 1972. White blue-collar workers are a shrinking share of the electorate.
Of course they are.
Definitely not. Keep in mind that Clinton was leading by a pretty big margin right up to the last month of the election. Her big lead only declined after Comey's October Surprise dirty trick, when he managed to convince the media that a laptop the FBI had in its possession might contain some evidence of wrongdoing by Clinton (it didn't).
Anyway, the point is that the NYT chose to amplify a claim made by some unnamed rural voter in Maine, even though the claim is DEMONSTRABLY false. We KNOW Clinton spoke about working people at the convention, but the NYT ran a story with someone claiming she didn't, and they provided no correction for that. That's the kind of shit the corporate media has been pulling all along: doing everything in their power to push this idea that Democrats ignore rural people and the white working class, even though pushing that literally requires them to publish flatly untrue claims such as the one in that article.
There is, of course, a myth among wingnuts that the Trump Murder Surge was something that was just a function of a lot of murders in a handful of cities that had riots related to BLM demonstrations. But, of course, like virtually everything the wingnuts believe, that's easily disprovable. We KNOW where murders surged in 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate
The states with the biggest increase in murders, between 2019 and 2020, were LA, GA, AR, and SD. Minnesota, the location of the greatest number of BLM protests, had a smaller increase in murder rates than the country as a whole, and wound up with a murder rate of just 3.4, which means the national rate is almost twice that.
Another epicenter of the protests was Oregon, where federal law enforcement was deployed in response. Oregon had one of the smallest murder rate increases in the country in 2020... just 0.1 point, which is statistical noise. Its murder rate, of 2.9, is one of the lowest in the country.
The simple fact is the Trump Murder Surge wasn't a result of targeted surges in a few places where BLM-related riots happened. Rather, it was a broad-based increase, which was most intense in a handful of far-right states. But, that is tough for the "blame the Black folks" crowd to swallow, so I doubt those facts are going to make a dent.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
Trump did both.
he was anti-globalist/ proworker. and, yes, anti-globalist IS actually the pro-worker position.
and it was anti-lawlessness.
dems lose on both of these, having become globalist shills, and having become advocates for soros' lawlessness d.a.'s
What do you mean? That's exactly what the Trumpists do. It's their defining characteristic.
Considering what a good job Biden has done, I agree Dems will have a tough time with suburban women in the mid-terms. Republicans sell upper-class tax cuts and Dems sell a social safety net. Periods when prosperity have grown make more people think they'll benefit from upper-class tax cuts, and fewer think they'll need a social safety net. With 2021 having given us the strongest economic growth in almost 40 years, and unemployment now being near record lows, the ground has shifted to something that favors Republicans. Obviously.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
this dumb cunt is dumber than a cunt.
we're done. look at the polls. thanks for confirming you are a mindless partisan
You just went way down on my interest level
hyper-partisan trying to sell Biden did a "good job"
Monad Portal
Was it me?
no, dems sell hatred of straight white freedom.