11 years ago today...

[Dutch Uncle]

Did Biden just advice against a risky SEAL raid? Or did he advice not taking any action at all, such as drone strike?

He advised against a strike until intel confirmed OBL's presence. IMO, he was concerned about invading an allied country and the repercussions of mission failure (e.g. many Americans and Pakis dead but no OBL).

The raid was a tough call by Obama but I believe it to be the right one. Results count, but there was a risk nothing would be there and the US would be guilty of invading an allied nation.

Consider that, had the raid failed, commie cocksuckers, Putinites and traitors like Dookie would still be whining about it.

 

[Cypress]

of course I wanted out of Afghan -so did Trump
Trump got us down from 12k to 2.5 k without an American KIA

It's the operational withdrawal turned into a chaotic EVAC that is the criticism.
We had an orderly path out thru Baghram

Going to war with Russia over Uk is the ultimate "bad choice" -a result of other "bad choices"
like turning Uk into a defacto NATO state, and refusing to negotiate with Russia

Getting out of Afghanistan was the right move.

Helping Ukraine defend itself against a criminal invasion was also the right move.

Based on your posting history, you demanded we do the exact opposite: stay in Afghanistan, and sit by and watch Ukraine be conquered, raped, subdued.

 

[Damocles]

you do realize Biden opposed the raid to kill OBL?

That's because Brandon cannot find a foreign policy that doesn't deserve his special stamp of failure. Even when they are doing the right thing, like with Ukraine, he still gets it wrong by talking regime change and telling our military they're going into Ukraine.

 

[Damocles]

you do realize Biden opposed the raid to kill OBL?

That's because Brandon cannot find a foreign policy that doesn't deserve his special stamp of failure. Even when they are doing the right thing, like with Ukraine, he still gets it wrong by talking regime change and telling our military they're going into Ukraine.

 

[dukkha]

Getting out of Afghanistan was the right move.

Helping Ukraine defend itself against a criminal invasion was also the right move.

Based on your posting history, you demanded we do the exact opposite: stay in Afghanistan, and sit by and watch Ukraine be conquered, raped, subdued.

you are dumbing down what I said to make a vague point about "right move" -and no I wanted no permanent havy Troops I did want to hold Baghram at least thru the withdrawal

an no. going to war with Russia instead of negotiating with the Lavrov letters was definitely not the "right move"

how long do you think we are going to remain at war with Russia?

 

[Callinectes]

"Justice has been done", said President Barak Obama.

Which was the precise moment when I began to get nervous wondering why he didn’t declare victory, fold that circus tent and go home.

 

[dukkha]

That's because Brandon cannot find a foreign policy that doesn't deserve his special stamp of failure. Even when they are doing the right thing, like with Ukraine, he still gets it wrong by talking regime change and telling our military they're going into Ukraine.

Agree. although what has happened in Ukraine is NATO turning it into a war with Russia, cheerleading by Biden

There was a better path - but we fucked that all up starting at the Euromaidan
Then Brandon's belligerence by refusing to respond to the Lavrov letter over "Russian redlines"
got the war going nicely for the Russiaphobes like Austin to make it into "degrading Russia military for the future" = no limiting that war with Russia

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Agree. although what has happened in Ukraine is NATO turning it into a war with Russia, cheerleading by Biden

There was a better path - but we fucked that all up starting at the Euromaidan
Then Brandon's belligerence by refusing to respond to the Lavrov letter over "Russian redlines"
got the war going nicely for the Russiaphobes like Austin to make it into "degrading Russia military for the future" = no limiting that war with Russia

^^^ Putin's cock holster; anti-American, anti-NATO, anti-West, pro-Putin, pro-Russia, pro-tyranny....just like Trump!

 

[BidenPresident]

11 years ago today, America was in a better place. We (mostly) came together to celebrate the end of Osama Bin Laden.

After a decade long international manhunt American forces killed the al-Qaeda leader at his compound in Pakistan. No Americans were injured.

"Justice has been done", said President Barak Obama.

Obama is a murderer. Sorry, I hate these lies.

 

[Jarod]

you do realize Biden opposed the raid to kill OBL?

I realize the Republicans claim that is true.

 

[Jarod]

garbage deflection from your inabilities to rebut Bidens hesitation.

If it happened today, you would claim "Fake news" or argue that OBL is not so bad, kinda like Putin.

 

[Jarod]

of course I wanted out of Afghan -so did Trump
Trump got us down from 12k to 2.5 k without an American KIA

It's the operational withdrawal turned into a chaotic EVAC that is the criticism.
We had an orderly path out thru Baghram

Going to war with Russia over Uk is the ultimate "bad choice" -a result of other "bad choices"
like turning Uk into a defacto NATO state, and refusing to negotiate with Russia

Biden did something Trump did not have the balls to pull the trigger on for 4 years.

 

[Jarod]

That's because Brandon cannot find a foreign policy that doesn't deserve his special stamp of failure. Even when they are doing the right thing, like with Ukraine, he still gets it wrong by talking regime change and telling our military they're going into Ukraine.

Do you have evidence that Biden advised against the raid?

If its negative against Biden, YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING!

 

[Damocles]

Do you have evidence that Biden advised against the raid?

If its negative against Biden, YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING!

Just going by what Barack Obama said in his book:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/12/barack-obama-memoir-joe-biden-bin-laden-raid

“Joe weighed in against the raid,” Obama writes in A Promised Land, about discussion of the Navy Seals mission, which he ordered to go ahead as intended in Abbottabad, Pakistan, on the night of 1-2 May 2011.

But hey, you can pretend that Obama didn't say that. Would that make you a Truther?

 

[Cypress]

Although the diversion of US troops to Iraq in 2003 effectively prolonged the Afghan War** and I remember the battle of Tora Bora, I'm less certain that OBL was allowed to get away.


**Afghanistan was, IMO, a "just war" whereas the invasion of Iraq was not.

The way it was reported as best I can remember is that Osama was pinned down to a small area of Tora Bora in December 2001, and Shrub contracted out the job of getting him to Afghan tribal militia, who clearly let Osama escape either through incompetence or because Osama still had sympathizers in the Afghan tribes.

 

[Jarod]

Just going by what Barack Obama said in his book:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/12/barack-obama-memoir-joe-biden-bin-laden-raid



But hey, you can pretend that Obama didn't say that. Would that make you a Truther?

If it’s in his book, I believe it, never saw that. I still believe if it’s negative about Biden, you believe it. His administration established a portion of the DHLS to assess the validity of incoming foreign information, and you attack it as a committee to propagandize truth.

 

[Damocles]

If it’s in his book, I believe it, never saw that. I still believe if it’s negative about Biden, you believe it. His administration established a portion of the DHLS to assess the validity of incoming foreign information, and you attack it as a committee to propagandize truth.

I attack it for what it is, and for who has been appointed. I still believe you would have prolapsed your colon had Trump suggested the same "disinformation board of governance". There is no place for this kind of propaganda "czar" in our government.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The way it was reported as best I can remember is that Osama was pinned down to a small area of Tora Bora in December 2001, and Shrub contracted out the job of getting him to Afghan tribal militia, who clearly let Osama escape either through incompetence or because Osama still had sympathizers in the Afghan tribes.

Odd. We certainly had the forces to make it happen. The Northern Alliance was more in name than an actual alliance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Alliance

 

[dukkha]

Biden did something Trump did not have the balls to pull the trigger on for 4 years.

getting Americans blown up because he fucked up the withdrawal?
And you are actually praising this?

Even our NATO partners were pissed at his incompetence EVAC

 

[dukkha]

If it happened today, you would claim "Fake news" or argue that OBL is not so bad, kinda like Putin.

ya when was the last time Russia potted and carried out destruction of our homeland?
There was a time before the Russian Hoax we and Russia cooperated on stopping terrorism