I know exactly what you claim happened. You keep pretending it means Biden didn't win the election. Accepting your argument that the mail in procedures in those districts failed to meet the statutory requirements: 1) That failure is legally relevant only if pursued in court and a favorable judgment obtained, which did not happen (how come, do you suppose?), so your claim is mere smoke. 2) If such a judgment had been obtained, what then - if the votes were disallowed they wouldn't be totally deducted from Biden's column. He received a majority of the mail ins; he didn't receive all of them. The votes would be taken from the candidates who received them. Didn't bother to check Wisconsin, but Biden won PA by 80,000 votes. It's not credible Trump could have made up that deficit in this fashion. 3) Even if the Pennsylvania and Wisconsin electoral votes were taken from Biden he still had more than the 270 margin necessary.
Trump Supporters Explain Why They Believe the Big Lie
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I know exactly what you claim happened. You keep pretending it means Biden didn't win the election. Accepting your argument that the mail in procedures in those districts failed to meet the statutory requirements: 1) That failure is legally relevant only if pursued in court and a favorable judgment obtained, which did not happen (how come, do you suppose?), so your claim is mere smoke. 2) If such a judgment had been obtained, what then - if the votes were disallowed they wouldn't be totally deducted from Biden's column. He received a majority of the mail ins; he didn't receive all of them. The votes would be taken from the candidates who received them. Didn't bother to check Wisconsin, but Biden won PA by 80,000 votes. It's not credible Trump could have made up that deficit in this fashion. 3) Even if the Pennsylvania and Wisconsin electoral votes were taken from Biden he still had more than the 270 margin necessary.
this is not anecdotal old guy. this is machine learning - - oops - forgot who I was talking to.. This is big data - and you can trust it gramps.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
the issue isn't whether he won the election......its that he won an unconstitutional election......he is first president put in office by means other than a valid democratic election......hopefully he will be the last......its just a pity he's fucking up the country so badly in the meantime......
There may come a point where you are adult enough for a conversation of this depth...and I actually hope that moment arrives. I doubt it will come any time soon, though. So best you stick to those age-related semi-insults.
I apologize for picking on you. If it were physical, I would be like Mike Tyson picking on a girl scout.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
I personally believe the people who believe Trump's big lie are on the fringe?!!
For many of Trump’s voters, the belief that the election was stolen is not a fully formed thought. It’s more of an attitude, or a tribal pose.
Some 35 percent of Americans—including 68 percent of Republicans—believe the Big Lie, pushed relentlessly by former President Donald Trump and amplified by conservative media, that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. They think that Trump was the true victor and that he should still be in the White House today. I regularly host focus groups to better understand how voters are thinking about key political topics. Recently, I decided to find out why Trump 2020 voters hold so strongly to the Big Lie.
For many of Trump’s voters, the belief that the election was stolen is not a fully formed thought. It’s more of an attitude, or a tribal pose. They know something nefarious occurred but can’t easily explain how or why. What’s more, they’re mystified and sometimes angry that other people don’t feel the same.
As a woman from Wisconsin told me, “I can’t really put my finger on it, but something just doesn’t feel right.” A man from Pennsylvania said, “Something about it just didn’t seem right.” A man from Arizona said, “It didn’t smell right.”
The exact details of the story vary—was it Hugo Chávez who stole the election? Or the CIA? Or Italian defense contractors? Outlandish claims like these seem to have made this conspiracy theory more durable, not less. Regardless of plausibility, the more questions that are raised, the more mistrustful Trump voters are of the official results.
Perhaps that’s because the Big Lie has been part of their background noise for years.
Remember that Trump began spreading the notion that America’s elections were “rigged” in 2016—when he thought he would lose. Many Republicans firmly believed that the Democrats would steal an election if given the chance. When the 2020 election came and Trump did lose, his voters were ready to doubt the outcome.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/trump-voters-big-lie-stolen-election/629572/
I've heard that most of MAGA doesn't believe The Big Lie but they think saying they do believe it is showing their support for Trump.
Yeah, MAGA logic don't make much sense, does it.
lol. sure thing Dementia Frank. tell us more stories about onions on your belt and what not since big data and machine learning is way out of your wheel house
The most you can argue is that he won an election in which 30 electoral votes put in his column were faulty under their states' constitutions. Even that much is faulty since those votes were never judged in a court of law as legally faulty. The thirty votes were also surplusage. He had the requisite 270 without them.
If you learn to write your thoughts more clearly (currently you are abusing the English language), it would be a huge step toward eventually becoming adult enough for a discussion such as we are having, Zymurgy.
Work on it.
if you had reading comprehension skills and could actually think for yourself, you wouldn't be a mouth breather replying to studies with retarded anecdotal stories
You are a child spouting childish gibberish. I told you...you ought to try the shallow end of the pool before venturing into the deep end.
But, keep up the gibberish if you feel it necessary. I enjoy watching someone like you making a fool of himself.
dementia Frank you are just repeating the same bullshit
can't debate my linked stats - so here we are old man. I showed enough for you to stop being a fucking retard
You are an out-of-control child...and I should not be hammering you as badly or often as I am. But you amuse me...and it is too much to resist.
So continue your bullshit.
hammer me - lol. get your gay erotica out of here! you won't even touch the subject matter because you are too old and feeble to debate with anyone at this point. your best debate is arguing with the nurse over which baby food she is gonna feed you tonight
How was the media "biased"?
What integrity was lacking from the press in 2020?
Don't forget that you had Conservative posters on JPP lying about getting unsolicited mail in ballots.
Are you saying the media should have covered that? Because if so, I agree.
Who is fostering this mistrust? Is it the liberals, or is it the Conservatives who scream "fake news" whenever something comes out that makes them look shitty?
Such as...?
They treated him worse than they treated Trump because they didn't give Biden the billions and billions of dollars in support they gave Trump by putting him on the air every day.
What lies? What are you talking about?
Pfft. Anyone who paid attention during the Democratic Primaries, where most of the young people voted, knew this plainly, which is why young people largely supported Bernie.
Joe Biden never called KIA troops "losers".
Every accusation is a confession.
I shared a machine learning analysis of this
How would people suffering dementia even know to vote?
Every accusation is a confession.
like claiming a notebook is Russian disinformation?
dude - you are a waste of time to debate - you project all your negatives on everyone else
Stop fucking lying.
If you cannot draw a distinction or difference between the tactics of Trump and the tactics of Biden, then you're willfully ignoring them for personal gratification.
No one is impressed with the bullshit you're doing here.
It's not impressive anymore to heap scorn on both sides...it's fucking lazy.
Treating Conservative attacks on democracy as the equivalent to fighting for trans rights reveals your moral bankruptcy, not anyone else's.