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The Biden administration’s goal of supplying 40% of the nation’s energy from the sun by 2035 means covering millions of acres of forest and desert habitat with vast solar panel installations fenced off like prisons. It would require 8,800 square miles of land, or 5.6 million acres, to generate that power (leaving out small installations on buildings and the like) -- about the size of Rhode Island and Massachusetts combined.

But the push to convert that land from pastoral to energy-productive is galvanizing a new environmental movement, one led by citizen groups and small non-profits rather than the monied green interests arrayed against them -- ones ironically accustomed to casting the fossil fuel industry in the role of the ecological heavy.

The potential impacts of solar-power installations have flown under the radar while much public resistance has centered on wind farms – which kill an estimated 1.2 million birds per year in the U.S. and are considered loud and unsightly by many who live near their towering turbines. Even as the Biden administration has made limiting the environmental impact of oil and gas a key goal, it has opened large tracts of federal lands to solar development by major corporations including Duke Energy, Exelon and BrightSource Energy.

Solar advocates say mitigating climate change requires a switch to carbon-free energy, and utility-scale solar installations are vital to the effort. They contend a looming climate crisis requires the switch to be made quickly, although the effects of widespread solar development are not fully understood.

Numerous critics say hold on. They do not oppose a buildout of solar, but argue for more environmentally sensitive placement on brownfields, abandoned military bases, rooftops and other areas, an approach that would cost more than plunking down massive solar installations on pristine lands but do less damage. They contend that mega-solar installations are disrupting fragile ecosystems, including imperiling species of indigenous animals and flora, while ruining tourist destinations and clogging roads. Some also voice concern about the unknown long-term effects of solar power plants, such as how they age, the waste they create and concerns that heat produced by the panels could itself contribute to global warming.

But green corporate interests favor the largest and cheapest way to produce solar energy -- and a number of interested parties, including resident groups, say they are getting a pass. Several of the nation’s largest wilderness advocacy groups have board members with ties to corporate solar developers, referred to by watchdogs as Big Solar.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...aradise_to_tap_into_solar_-_a_lot_829303.html
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The worst part of this is most of that capacity will have to be duplicated using natural gas or oil fired power plants that produce the same amount of power when the sun goes down. Or, is Joke really going to try and spend several trillion dollars putting in batteries and as much as four times more solar panels to store power for when the sun goes down?

Solar is the single worst, most expensive way to make reliable electrical power there is.
 
The worst part of this is most of that capacity will have to be duplicated using natural gas or oil fired power plants that produce the same amount of power when the sun goes down. Or, is Joke really going to try and spend several trillion dollars putting in batteries and as much as four times more solar panels to store power for when the sun goes down?

Solar is the single worst, most expensive way to make reliable electrical power there is.
lol this is SUCH a bad idea. It reads like a bad high school science project
 
Oh it gets worse. Because both sets of plants sit idle half the time--solar when it's dark, natural gas / oil when the sun's out--the cost of operation will rise dramatically due to the need for a much more robust grid (smart grid) than would otherwise be required. Natural gas / oil plants also have increased costs related to start up and shut down than continuous operation. This is even worse if these plants have to idle off-line for any length of time.

So, let's say you have a solar array supplying power. Assuming no issues with cloud cover--another problem--as the sun sets the replacement fossil fuel plant has to come on-line. Let's say that takes 30 minutes and the plant idles for an hour prior to going on-line, just in case. That means customers pay for an hour and a half of operation where the plant produced nothing. Then this repeats in the morning when the solar array comes back on-line.

The smart grid to go with it is grotesquely expensive. Germany, a country about the size of Texas, has spent nearly a trillion on their smart grid and it isn't finished yet. That would be trillions more spent on something we wouldn't need with reliable power generation.

You want an idea how bad this bullshit is? Rooftop solar here in Arizona where you have some of the highest production rates in the US requires installation on 250,000 homes to meet the same output as a single natural gas power plant that already exists outside Cooledge Arizona. That plant cost a tiny fraction of the cost of those solar panels too.

Or, just the weather...

Snow-Covered-Solar-Panels_GVSU.jpg


Solar sucks!

Then there's heating your house with electricity. Expect a $500 a month electric bill-- or more-- doing that somewhere it's cold...
 
The Biden administration’s goal of supplying 40% of the nation’s energy from the sun by 2035 means covering millions of acres of forest and desert habitat with vast solar panel installations fenced off like prisons. It would require 8,800 square miles of land, or 5.6 million acres, to generate that power (leaving out small installations on buildings and the like) -- about the size of Rhode Island and Massachusetts combined.

Wow, imagine how upset Dukkha will get when he learns about agriculture taking up 20 times as much land, and also often involving fences keeping animals in like "prisons".
 
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